FYI: NO SUCH THING AS VIP Brands....

[mdenoga]

Noobs. Let me give you a head start because there are members who are quite confused about what brand is accepted by the VIP community.

NOTE: There is NO (I just said NO right?) such thing as VIP Brands.

:thelaw: Please STOP saying that "blank" company is consider/not considered a VIP Brand. There is no such thing. Remember VIP starts with the car platform itself and not the brand choice. Nevertheless, lets not forget VIP Tuning emphasizes having quality parts. Luxury.


For those still confused, I suggest you once again to read our founder's article about how it all began for him.

My Thoughts on VIP Style Cars Article
http://www.vipstylecars.com/modules.php?name=Content&file=viewarticle&op=newarticle&id=1


:oktm:

[PANCAKES!]

LOL!!!!! :smiley-rofl: :smiley-rofl: :smiley-rofl:

Calm down Mike it's all good! HAhahaha! =)

[GLuXuRy]

glad i got that info .. so basicaly he's saying that Junction Produce is not a VIP brand .. its just a aftermarket company that make prodcuts for VIP platforms

[-Patrick-]

good info.. thanks for the heads up!

[Caoboy]

This also doesn't mean you can throw 'anything' on your car and say it is vip styled.

Just remember it's all about stance, and wheels that fit well.

Get the platform, get the suspension, get the wheels, and everything else are 'tasteful accessories.'

[Yokotas13]

garson is so a VIP company you liar

[JOee]

garson is so a VIP company you liar



that made me LOL:smiley-rofl:

[mdenoga]

garson is so a VIP company you liar

You're not helping.

[Yokotas13]

but, its true


there are VIP catering companies, that dont deal in other aspects.

Helping your cause of ranting? maybe not.
However helping the overall cause? Yes for sure

companies like Wald, Junction Produce, Insurance, Garson
ARE vip companies.

if you have to ask though, they arent.

[ClutchOne]

Ok Question...

In the Near Future Im going to Custom Fabricate The Body of a Ls400 to look Similar to the Q45 in Video Below.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z3PwW8Od-xo&feature=related


Is this Ok to Custom Fab a Body Instead of Ordering Random Parts/Panels from Exclusive VIP Companies???

:shrug:

[Caoboy]

Why do you have to ask if it's ok?


Do what you want.

[//935GS400]

Ok Question...

In the Near Future Im going to Custom Fabricate The Body of a Ls400 to look Similar to the Q45 in Video Below.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z3PwW8Od-xo&feature=related


Is this Ok to Custom Fab a Body Instead of Ordering Random Parts/Panels from Exclusive VIP Companies???

:shrug:i might get hated for saying this but thats the ugliest thing ive ever layed my eyes on.

[elpresidente]

i might get hated for saying this but thats the ugliest thing ive ever layed my eyes on.
No, I agree...
http://www.engrish.com/image/engrish/barf-bus.jpg

[ClutchOne]

Why do you have to ask if it's ok?


Do what you want.

Yea I Understand the "If you have to ask Rule", but most of the Parts im Intrested In I can Custom Fab like... Exhaust... Its Really Easy for me to Custom Fab the Exhaust in that Video.

Im not Really asking for Permision, Its Just Custom Fab is more Convient than waiting Months for any Original Parts to come in the Mail.

[ClutchOne]

No, I agree...

Yea I can Understand because its an Acquired Taste that I have Grown to Love.
That Video was an Exclusive Free DVD Inside VIPCar Magazine.
But Please Understand Im Just Using that Video as An Example of a Custom Fabbed VIPCar

Here is Another Video Your gonna Hate me for Once you Look Inside...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=VEFOk-QixCM&feature=related

[urmyhero4now]

clutchone, dude if you can custom fab some parts up, right on. thats fuckin great. most of my parts if not all are not name branded..they are all custom ie, curtains, fogs, taillights, suspension, brakes, bodykit, exhaust...all of this im doing on my own or with help from others..none of it has a VIP NAMEBRANDED to it. Thats what is so great about this culture. its really saposte to be all about "custom" cars...not catalog cars. strut your skills bro.

[romeo291]

I understand where you're coming from.....but vip is a style....this you can't argue. And if there are companies out there that only produce parts catering to vip styling (i.e. junction produce), it wouldn't be wrong to call it a vip company. I know you can make the argument that they don't make vip parts, they only make aftermarket parts.....but everybody in this scene knows what junction produce is about and we know they are specifically making parts catering to vip styling. if your argument is accepted, then the same could be said about so many other companies out there catering to a particular style. You can continue saying there's no such thing as this company or that company because the style is about this or that. It'll be a never ending argument for sure.

[Cedric]

Haha this forum reminds me of all forums.

I think what he is saying is there aren't any manufacturers that are considered acceptable/unacceptable. Although some manufacturers specify in VIP cars that doesnt make them any more accpetable than any other manufacturers.

[Damicci]

I have seen that car in a few magazines and thought it was just a crazy modded Q45.
gotta admire his effort to be different.

[F.L.S.]

Thank god someone has enough common sense to make a post like this! Couldn't agree more with the OP.

[zion_97]

I disagree and agree to some of the content in this thread. Garson is straight VIP..I don't know of any other car styling that this Company would cater to..DUB no, Sport Compact Tuners no, Lowriders OLD SCHOOL no, 4x4 off road no, Drifting no..that leaves only VIP cars there for should be labeled as a VIP company. Junction Produce just about the same.

Now the question is what is a VIP company and what isn't ? I think any company that caters to VIP cars is a VIP company just my thoughts.

Take to off roading. Fabtech is a off road 4x4 company that caters to 4x4 trucks..That makes it a Off road 4x4 company.. TIS is a wheel manufcature that caters to DUB style..Hence Twenty Inches Strong...They are a DUB style company. See where I am going with this. Its just on how you look at things and perceive things.

Its like the whole VIP and VIP style thang..so Garson is a VIP company or a VIP style company??hahahakekekeke..


Now I dont think making your own shiat doesnt make it less VIP if anything I think it makes it More VIPish because you did it your self. Make things that no one else has in there cars is VIP to me. F.L.S made his own rear window curtains, I think that is Straight VIP becuase he took it upon himself to make things happen. Augdogg with his tables is another prime example or that other fellow in hawaii that made a table out of an exotic wood and added garson cup rings..That was really nice and VIP. Doesnt allways have to be the BRand name that makes it VIP but I do think Garson is a Prime example of a VIP company..

Thats why I agree and disagree.

[widebody_Q]

^Garson advertises in Dub magazine every month. Garson could go either way, Dub or VIP. Dub is about being flashy and so is D.A.D.

[F.L.S.]

Junction Produce Sports is not "VIP" to you (Zion), so that means JP is not a VIP company. hahahahaha

[zion_97]

Widebody,

I hear what your saying however lots of folks that see that stuff in DUB magazines from what I see hate it..NOt to many folks like the crystals and tables and all that other pricey stuff..They are more into Stereo systems and Huge ass wheels the bigger the better. At least in Tucson that is..Every state and town has its own style of choice..

[chrispy]

Custom parts are fine IMO. As long as they are VIP style to match your VIP styled car. If you get a custom exhaust that looks like it belongs on some tuner car then it's not okay. Same with body parts and wheels. A Stillen lip or Greddy lip looks out of place if you're going for VIP style. Sure it's a high quality body piece, but can it be used to pull off VIP style? I wouldn't say so.

Edit: JP sports is a good example of a "VIP brand" without much VIP style. I really hate the Sports line from JP, and their Heritage wheels. I suppose it goes both ways. Doesn't matter about the brand, as long as the style is there.

[zion_97]

Junction Produce Sports is not "VIP" to you (Zion), so that means JP is not a VIP company. hahahahaha
why dont you reread my first paragraph:slap:

[zion_97]

Custom parts are fine IMO. As long as they are VIP style to match your VIP styled car. If you get a custom exhaust that looks like it belongs on some tuner car then it's not okay. Same with body parts and wheels. A Stillen lip or Greddy lip looks out of place if you're going for VIP style. Sure it's a high quality body piece, but can it be used to pull off VIP style? I wouldn't say so.

Edit: JP sports is a good example of a "VIP brand" without much VIP style. I really hate the Sports line from JP, and their Heritage wheels. I suppose it goes both ways. Doesn't matter about the brand, as long as the style is there.
THis I totally agree with..

Stillen Lip on a VIP car = FAIL.

[F.L.S.]

This is where you guys show how truly clueless you really are. Artisan Spirits, Evoloution, Insurance, and Admiration to name a few have lips that are almost IDENTICAL in shape to the Stillen lip.

But hey, you're the VIP gods who know it all, I'm just a dumb 38 year old w/ over 20 years modding cars. hahaha

[firelizard]

Finally! It's two-for-one.

I finally agree with Mike, and finally someone posted that there are no Vip brands.

ps: since Garson came up.... considering the fact that they push Mercedes and Van/Wagon stuff way more than they push stuff for traditional platforms, I wouldn't use them as an example of a"Vip brand" anyways.

[ClutchOne]

I think Labels are Important for Status and Nothing More.

But Status can be Acheived without Labels.....=p

[zion_97]

This is where you guys show how truly clueless you really are. Artisan Spirits, Evoloution, Insurance, and Admiration to name a few have lips that are almost IDENTICAL in shape to the Stillen lip.

But hey, you're the VIP gods who know it all, I'm just a dumb 38 year old w/ over 20 years modding cars. hahaha
Then why not just buy Artisan Spirits, Evoloution, Insurance, and Admiration to name a few that are known in the VIP industry rather than the Stillen lip???

I truly think your to atached to your car and that becomes a problem when people do not like certain brands that you are using. You take offense and then justify it with comparing it another brand or car..

I have given you props on certain things you have done but that does not meen I like every thing you have done and the same I am sure with you and me and others out there. We have our own styling but I dont see to many other folks trying to justify what they do as much as you do. YOu cant compare apples to oranges..

ITs like buying Pepsi and safeway select..Yeah it kinda taiste like Pepsi but its not. Pepes is much better taisting..

Stillen may look like some other lip kits that I have never seen the comparrison your reffering to but in the VIP community its not a brand of choice or really accepted by lots of folks.

I think you and that other white Q are the only ones that I have seen with the stillen lip kit.

I know your going to start getting pics and scanning in cars to prove your point..but you dont have to..its your car and as long as your happy who cares..

[F.L.S.]

WHAT EVER.

YOU don't like it. I could care less. If it's similar to other brands, and fits the US bumper WITHOUT mods, WHY buy the other brand? For brands sake? Get a clue bro, seriously.

"Accepted". Get over your "svwaroski" crystal bling self.

[zion_97]

see thats whay I am saying your to attached to your car for your own good..you get to ticked off and take it to personal..

Sticks and stones. I have been called worse. dont really know where this came from Get over your "svwaroski" crystal bling self but LOL....

I will not argue about this anymore and try to keep things to the topic of the OP.

If you have a problem or need counsling PM me and I would be more than happy to counsil you and help calm your nerves.

Sorry mike your thread took a turn in the wrong direction I did not meen for it to happen so lets turn it back into the right direction.

NO SUCH THING AS VIP BRANDS...

continue.

[urmyhero4now]

ill help you rich. THERE IS NO SUCH THINGS AS VIP BRANDS.....ITS VERY COMPLICATED...get a years subscribtion to vipcar and do some research...then ask questions.

[//935GS400]

I'm just a dumb 38 year old w/ over 20 years modding cars.x1 agreed! :pat:

[chrispy]

This is where you guys show how truly clueless you really are. Artisan Spirits, Evoloution, Insurance, and Admiration to name a few have lips that are almost IDENTICAL in shape to the Stillen lip.

But hey, you're the VIP gods who know it all, I'm just a dumb 38 year old w/ over 20 years modding cars. hahaha

I fail to see how this thing

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/ntnsracing_1988_77611757

looks anything like these

Artisan Spirits
http://www.memoryfab.com/products/aero/imglarge_438_1.jpg

Evolution
http://www.memoryfab.com/products/aero/imglarge_215_1.jpg

Insurance
http://www.memoryfab.com/products/aero/imglarge_341_1.jpg

Admiration
http://www.memoryfab.com/products/aero/imglarge_15_6.jpg

[Kohinoor]

if theyre marketed towards VIP in any way, its a VIP brand IMO

its kind of like saying coke and pepsi arent soda brands, they just make drinks

[gato]

That Video was an Exclusive Free DVD Inside VIPCar Magazine.



VIPCAR Magazine.....from the 90's....:innoutrofl2:

[Caoboy]

VIPCAR Magazine.....from the 90's....:innoutrofl2:


That was actually from november of 07.

I've got the dvd, and issue.

[romeo291]

^Wow, this thread is gettin' so off topic.


Noobs. Let me give you a head start because there are members who are quite confused about what brand is accepted by the VIP community.

NOTE: There is NO (I just said NO right?) such thing as VIP Brands.

:thelaw: Please STOP saying that "blank" company is consider/not considered a VIP Brand. There is no such thing. Remember VIP starts with the car platform itself and not the brand choice. Nevertheless, lets not forget VIP Tuning emphasizes having quality parts. Luxury.


For those still confused, I suggest you once again to read our founder's article about how it all began for him.

My Thoughts on VIP Style Cars Article
http://www.vipstylecars.com/modules.php?name=Content&file=viewarticle&op=newarticle&id=1


:oktm:


Anyways, I feel that the problem with Mike's statement is that it's an absolute statement with not a lot of explanation to it. He only said that vip is about the car platform and pointed you back to the thread explaining that vip starts with the platform cars first, but he didn't really explain why there is no such thing as a vip company. Did he mean that there's no company out there that makes vip cars already vip-ed out for sale? Or did he mean that no company makes products that will automatically give your car the vip status? Either way, a "vip company" has no official definition. So when you're in a community of like-minded people, they will understand what you mean when you say "this company is a vip company" mainly on the basis that it makes a lot of products that can cater to a vip tuned car.

[mdenoga]

The only company I consider a "VIP" company is Junction Produce. And NO Garson is not a VIP company. The problem we have here is that people are focusing more on what parts they can add onto their car versus what actually makes a car VIP in general. Just build your car the way you want. But at the same time keep in mind if you plan to make it a VIP style or VIP inspired keep in mind that it is about using quality parts but doesn't mean you have to stick with a brand like Junction Produce just to be VIP. I can clarify further but I'll be out of town this weekend so give me time to catch. =p

[NewJersey]

I fail to see how this thing

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/ntnsracing_1988_77611757

looks anything like these

Artisan Spirits
http://www.memoryfab.com/products/aero/imglarge_438_1.jpg

Evolution
http://www.memoryfab.com/products/aero/imglarge_215_1.jpg

Insurance
http://www.memoryfab.com/products/aero/imglarge_341_1.jpg

Admiration


where can i get these? approximate costs? any copies out there?
thanks guys.

[NewJersey]

just went to the site actually.
pricey stuff. i really only want a front lip
not too many options.
i dont understand what exactly is ebing argued in thie thread.
seems like semantics
pretty pointless thing to get hung up on, really
i cant figure out the desired outcome of convincing people there are "no vip companies" when there clealry are companies that make 90% of their products for VIP cars.
if you were to call them compaines that "cater to VIP platforms" what would the real difference be??

[augdogg]

Wow, pretty interesting thread and responses. " There are no vip brands", pretty broad statement IMO. I know that the basis of the classification and/or styling concept consists of modifications on flagship luxury automobiles (preferably japanese), high expenses on quaility wheels, kits, accessories. Suspension mods to extremely lower vehicle. There are brands that are primarily associated w/ this auto-stlying, even further promoting the trend. So, I would also say there are companies distrubuting vip products as their major source of business/income and I would classify them as vip brands.

[Avantgarde]

I would say most of the responses are more or less correct...


In practice there are Companies that cater to VIP styling and there are companies that do not cater to the styling.

In this sense, I believe (assuming...) he's leaning more towards Wheel choices since that was a hot topic thread. Which i would Agree...

There's no one company that specializes in "VIP Wheels" there are companies that specialize in VIP styling. That would be Insurance and its subsidiaries (Diana, Blue|GE, Valenza etc), Junction Produce and Admiration. there's more EXE style Companies like AIMGAIN, Artisan Spirts, Prussian Blue, Vlene, WALD, etc.

There's nothing wrong with using a Stillen lip if you pull off the look just right with the stance and everything else works together.

VIP is a style, and with time comes evolutionary changes...VIP Style starts with a wheel fitment and a Stance, Not with a chassis. Every hubert and boswell can have an LS400 and a Q45 on 20" wheels with stretched tires and call it a VIPcar if the chassis is was made a car "VIPStyle"

Once you get the stance and fitment right, then it matters the chassis it's on. If it's supported by the EXE and/or VIP manufacturers and has the ability to fit dished wheels, it's a VIPcar. (in my honest opinion)

[Yokotas13]

And NO Garson is not a VIP company.

tell that to japan

you speak blasphemy

[NewJersey]

If it's supported by the EXE and/or VIP manufacturers and has the ability to fit dished wheels, it's a VIPcar. (in my honest opinion)
you now have a serious argument with the OGs on this board.

[Avantgarde]

you now have a serious argument with the OGs on this board.

I figure that would ruffle some feathers and i'm waiting for the backlash LOL!


But seriously...

I don't mean every Hyundai with a body kit is a VIP car.....

that's NOT what i'm saying by ANY Stretch of the imagination...Maybe i should clarify...


When i said supported, and dished....Go through and look at the manufacturers. There's a few cars that are coming on board.

The list that makes a "VIPcar" on this site, is dated and should be reviewed and refreshed (even the man who wrote the article in the first post said himself in another thread). If you're going to lay down the law about what makes a VIPcar, atleast have the list up to date. you know?

No condemnation to the admin who started the thread, he was on a rant, and i understand that. I get like that too LOL. but seriously if the law is going to be laid down, lets have some updated rules...

[NewJersey]

i think people are afraid to even suggest the discussion.
i would like to nominate some jags, mercedes sclass, and higher model chrysler 300 done correctly
the scion kids should form their own site. i dont get that shit at all.

[Avantgarde]

I wouldn't bust on the Scions as the bB has been in japan for YEARS...it was the bB before it was a Scion

And it was well liked in Japan.

I've been following it for a while now. I've seen it progress from big lips and somewhat Bozosoku inspired, to more lowkey EXE style. I love VIP and everything it entails...

I've seen Diamantes in VIPCar Clubs, I saw the rise of the Sentia as a popular car (didn't know it at the time because i was just like "wow, there's a 929...and another...oh that one looks hot! whoa they're pretty popular!")

It's one thing you gotta notice is that the style manages to reinvent itself every 5 years. Sticking to one set of rules isn't going to establish it too well. There's sort of unspoken rule of being a VIPcar.

The car has to be luxury oriented, and it it has to either be Japanese, or European (from which VIP draws its inspiration) The reason It's japanese is because the people who invented the style itself only worked with Japanese cars. The Little K Cars were inexpensive for people to buy, but they wanted the VIPstyling, so now you have that style. Vans were popular before they were VIP styled. Thos DragonFly vans i mentioned before...they're inspired by the 1970s vans in america, take the luxury of those crazy hippy vans and modernize it with Japanese VIPstyle and you've got "Wagonist" styling.

Its and evolution and trying to limit yourself to platforms will inevitably cause tension and reduce the people who respect the styling in itself. DOING IT RIGHT IS IMPERATIVE!!! don't throw on some bad fitting work wheels, and slam the car thinking it's going to be VIP inspired, that's not the case...You've got to be dedicated if you're going to be VIP style.)

[zion_97]

VIP Style starts with a wheel fitment and a Stance, Not with a chassis. Every hubert and boswell can have an LS400 and a Q45 on 20" wheels with stretched tires and call it a VIPcar if the chassis is was made a car "VIPStyle"

)

NO WAY REAL VIP starts with the CORRECT CHASIS and then you make the cake. THE CHASIS is the main ingrediant in a REAL VIP CAR..otherwise its only inspired!

Now in the US we are limited and not everybody agrees on this so folks justify it with what ever car they are working with. If your comment was correct then you would not see so many

Lexus/Toyotas Infiniti/Nissan in the VIP mags at car shows. The Majesta beeing one of the most sought out platforms in toyotas line up along with the Celsior and in the nissan line up all the Y33 line..Cedrice,Gloria and Cima.

These are just the cars..they stil have the Wagons and K-cars that hold there own as well.

In the US someone buys a Q45 and someone buys a Camery who is closer to VIP status just rolling stock????? WHo has the better ingreadiance for the VIP car outcome?? The Q45..even with the camery slammed with nice fitment and shit loads of work it still wont be as VIP as the Q45...

:signdammit:

[Yokotas13]

i think people are afraid to even suggest the discussion.
i would like to nominate some jags, mercedes sclass, and higher model chrysler 300 done correctly
.
im with ya on that ish bro

[Avantgarde]

In the US someone buys a Q45 and someone buys a Camery who is closer to VIP status just rolling stock????? WHo has the better ingreadiance for the VIP car outcome?? The Q45..even with the camery slammed with nice fitment and shit loads of work it still wont be as VIP as the Q45...


I agree, like i said,

I don't mean every Hyundai with a body kit is a VIP car.....

that's NOT what i'm saying by ANY Stretch of the imagination...Maybe i should clarify...

When i said supported, and dished....Go through and look at the manufacturers. There's a few cars that are coming on board.

[augdogg]

All I got to say is Dyam! Avantgarde loves to talk.... Yo, your view has be spun (in my mind) a ga-zillon times over since i've joined and that wasn't long ago. You are more than welcome to share your POV of vip(whats what), from a pretty cool tone mind you, but it over anaylized in a conversation like this that just make people look bad. I mean yo, contribution is good, but in moderation please.....

[Yokotas13]

In the US someone buys a Q45 and someone buys a Camery who is closer to VIP status just rolling stock?????
:signdammit:
neither one

you act like having a certain chassis automatically makes you vip

[Avantgarde]

All I got to say is Dyam! Avantgarde loves to talk.... Yo, your view has be spun (in my mind) a ga-zillon times over since i've joined and that wasn't long ago. You are more than welcome to share your POV of vip(whats what), from a pretty cool tone mind you, but it over anaylized in a conversation like this that just make people look bad. I mean yo, contribution is good, but in moderation please.....

I'm sorry, what?

I think i know what you mean...I'll keep it to myself then LOL!:pat:

[zion_97]

neither one

you act like having a certain chassis automatically makes you vip
if you read correctly it shows that it makes you alot closer..I know a few folks down in Japan and have met some folks through some Japanese VIP forums..I have got a lot of valued info from them..so I do stand correct..

[Avantgarde]

Alright alright, let's not start a fight...

That's not what this was supposed to be. it was civil up until this point...let's keep it civil guys.

[Caoboy]

I like how this discussion went from " No real VIP brands" (as in just because you put those parts on your car, doesn't make it vip) to the platform issue again...

Again, it's all about stance, ccw's or hre's or I-forged (i believe socalgs4 has some Iforged) and get a well fitting wheel out of the company, slap it on your car, and it will look bangin'. Then you can take some, say, the overplayed JP Scaras, in some suck ass sizes, that look like you paid 5k for stock fitting wheels, because the people will be scared to cut their fenders, and they will call themselves vip, just because they have the parts, and not actual 'vip car', as in it doesn't LOOK like a vip car.

That's what I believe Mike is trying to get through some people's skulls here.

It's all about how you pull of the car, not what parts you put on the car. A billion people throw fusas on their car, because it's the cheapest 'car accessory' from Junction Produce, just to say they have Junction Produce parts on their car.


All in all, don't bother trying to figure out what companies make VIP parts or whatever.

If you choose to do your car up all Garson, or JP (if you have the money to burn) or Fabulous, or whatever you wish, then do it. If you choose to custom fab everything, and get some well fitting wheels, and slam the shit outta your car do it.

Just don't fake the funk, cheap out on knockoff parts, and shitty wheels, and call yourself something you aren't.

[firelizard]

I'm surprised nobody has said (or maybe they did but I didn't notice) that it's not the chassis. And it's not the parts.


It's both.

Example:
Stock Q45 = not a Vip car.
Junction Produce wheels = not a Vip car.
Junction Produce wheels on a Civic = not a Vip car.
Q45 on Tenzo wheels = not a Vip car.
Q45 with Junction Produce kit and Tenzo wheels = not a Vip car.
Q45 with aggressive stance on Tenzo wheels = not a Vip car.
Q45 with aggressive stance on Junction Produce wheels = EXE car. (okay, that could be debated, but that's how I see it)
Q45 on Junction Produce wheels, with a Junction produce kit, and aggressive stance = Vip car.


Also, I agree with BLACKonBLACK, whose name I wish I knew because calling him BLACKonBLACK sounds like I'm referring to a porno.

[OG]

i think the point has been clouded by meaningless debate.

i'm assuming what mike was saying, and if not i'm saying it, is you shouldn't limit yourself by what is commonly accepted. the point here is to build some sick rides, no boundaries.

[Avantgarde]

i think the point has been clouded by meaningless debate.

i'm assuming what mike was saying, and if not i'm saying it, is you shouldn't limit yourself by what is commonly accepted. the point here is to build some sick rides, no boundaries.

:werd2:

Sorry I diverted the thread LOL. I'll take the heat for that one.

[OG]

Also, I agree with BLACKonBLACK, whose name I wish I knew because calling him BLACKonBLACK sounds like I'm referring to a porno.

how did you agree with me before i said it? (ninja?)

michael btw

[zion_97]

I'm surprised nobody has said (or maybe they did but I didn't notice) that it's not the chassis. And it's not the parts.


It's both.

Example:
Stock Q45 = not a Vip car.
Junction Produce wheels = not a Vip car.
Junction Produce wheels on a Civic = not a Vip car.
Q45 on Tenzo wheels = not a Vip car.
Q45 with Junction Produce kit and Tenzo wheels = not a Vip car.
Q45 with aggressive stance on Tenzo wheels = not a Vip car.
Q45 with aggressive stance on Junction Produce wheels = EXE car. (okay, that could be debated, but that's how I see it)
Q45 on Junction Produce wheels, with a Junction produce kit, and aggressive stance = Vip car.


Also, I agree with BLACKonBLACK, whose name I wish I knew because calling him BLACKonBLACK sounds like I'm referring to a porno.
but you have to start with the correct or BEST chasis you can to achieve VIP status. other wise its just a inspired and not VIP..but if you don’t care about that word than what the hell it does not matter what chasis you start with….personally

I would rather have a Stock Q or LS or GS than any other car to start with for a VIP car

[//935GS400]

VIP Style starts with a wheel fitment and a Stance, Not with a chassis. that was a very noobie remark...100% wrong.

[NewJersey]

i think the point has been clouded by meaningless debate.

i'm assuming what mike was saying, and if not i'm saying it, is you shouldn't limit yourself by what is commonly accepted. the point here is to build some sick rides, no boundaries.
except the rigid platform boundary VIP people force themselves to adhere to.
you know how the constitution is outdated if you interepret it strictly at face value and not look deeper into the ideals it's putting forth... same shit here
who cares about japan.
how is 95 q45 more VIP than a 00' s class or brand new chrysler v8 with an insane drop, the right wheels and accesories?? it's not unless you adhere to the archaic defenition that is outdated and should really only apply to japan. (hint hint.. most of us are NOT in japan and thats ok.)

[zion_97]

I'm surprised nobody has said (or maybe they did but I didn't notice) that it's not the chassis. And it's not the parts.


It's both.

Example:
Stock Q45 = not a Vip car.
Junction Produce wheels = not a Vip car.
Junction Produce wheels on a Civic = not a Vip car.
Q45 on Tenzo wheels = not a Vip car.
Q45 with Junction Produce kit and Tenzo wheels = not a Vip car.
Q45 with aggressive stance on Tenzo wheels = not a Vip car.
Q45 with aggressive stance on Junction Produce wheels = EXE car. (okay, that could be debated, but that's how I see it)
Q45 on Junction Produce wheels, with a Junction produce kit, and aggressive stance = Vip car.


Also, I agree with BLACKonBLACK, whose name I wish I knew because calling him BLACKonBLACK sounds like I'm referring to a porno.

i think the point has been clouded by meaningless debate.

i'm assuming what mike was saying, and if not i'm saying it, is you shouldn't limit yourself by what is commonly accepted. the point here is to build some sick rides, no boundaries.

except the rigid platform boundary VIP people force themselves to adhere to.
you know how the constitution is outdated if you interepret it strictly at face value and not look deeper into the ideals it's putting forth... same shit here
who cares about japan.
how is 95 q45 more VIP than a 00' s class or brand new chrysler v8 with an insane drop, the right wheels and accesories?? it's not unless you adhere to the archaic defenition that is outdated and should really only apply to japan. (hint hint.. most of us are NOT in japan and thats ok.)

Think about this for a second. What makes a lowrider a lowrider or ratrod/hotrod a hot rod a 4x4 a 4x4..This is just another tuning style why try to change it..there is nothing wrong with the way VIP was meant to be..if the originators change it (folks in japan) than we should adabt but if they dont why should US try to own it and change it..???

You dont go into a yaht club with a fisherman boat and expect to fit in and call your fisherman boat a yaht. just a simple analogy to hope make a statement hear..

There is VIP cars and then there is VIP styled cars..what ever category folks fit into is up to them and there vehicle choice BUT know what is what and except that for what it is...

[OG]

except the rigid platform boundary VIP people force themselves to adhere to.
you know how the constitution is outdated if you interepret it strictly at face value and not look deeper into the ideals it's putting forth... same shit here
who cares about japan.
how is 95 q45 more VIP than a 00' s class or brand new chrysler v8 with an insane drop, the right wheels and accesories?? it's not unless you adhere to the archaic defenition that is outdated and should really only apply to japan. (hint hint.. most of us are NOT in japan and thats ok.)

this is the same old debate, and i agree with you 100% but i also feel the og platforms should be respected.

the "vip brands" debate is along the same guidelines but different at the same time. imo its the styling that makes or brakes the car, not the brands.

[Avantgarde]

who cares about japan.


Whoa there buddy, they're the originators of the style. When it comes down to it, they've got the last say on what is what. Nothing we say here really matters much.:slap:

even in context, you gotta pay respects where it's due.

that was a very noobie remark...100% wrong.

dude, way to take me out of context. :sad:

I basically said "what's stopping some random joe blow from calling his Q45 on 22s 'VIP' just because it's a VIP chassis"

In the next line i pretty much summed it up "it's the stance, then the chassis"

I guess it's just two different ways to look at it.

I do not see VIPcar as starting on the car...i see a car being done in VIP style, then authorizing the use of "VIPcar" based on which car was done in VIP style. Kinda weird way of looking at it, i know, but whatever.

I just don't feel like arguing about it. it's kind of a silly thing to argue about as we're just emulating something and not really driving it.

[Yokotas13]

Whoa there buddy, they're the originators of the style. When it comes down to it, they've got the last say on what is what. Nothing we say here really matters much.:slap:

even in context, you gotta pay respects where it's due.


see i disagree


why do we need to emulate japan to the T?

why cant the US take VIP nad make it their own. why do we always have to bandwagon on everything else

Chrystler 300= mother fucking vip
i dont give a fuck who says its not, that car, if it was made when the Cima came out, woudl have been labeled VIp.

[Avantgarde]

see i disagree


why do we need to emulate japan to the T?

why cant the US take VIP nad make it their own. why do we always have to bandwagon on everything else

Chrystler 300= mother fucking vip
i dont give a fuck who says its not, that car, if it was made when the Cima came out, woudl have been labeled VIp.

I understand. I believe that, too, but on the other hand "who cares about Japan" when using the Japanese style is like sitting on your friends couch yelling "who cares about your couch" while you're sitting on it.

the 300C is alright. It's definitely hard, and there's companies in Japan that have picked it up as something to work with.

It fills the criteria for a VIPcar....but it's not really being supported by the companies that normally supply VIP parts for cars.

The only really good stuff for the car is being made here, so it can definitely look good as a VIPstyled car, but more or less be VIPstyled.

http://www.grounddynamics.com/Merchant/300CCFHB.jpg
http://ug-300c.com/modules/wordpress/0708/DSC03354.JPG

I'd push the hell outta that car...has to be on 22s or 24s though. anything else is too small. Those are 24s on the black one.


One more with a Lex LS460
http://ug-300c.com/modules/wordpress/0708/03.jpg

[Yokotas13]

i agree, which is why i wont be building one.

BUT when yu have Y33s foing 300 front end grill conversions...you know there is a reason

[OG]

why do we need to emulate japan to the T?

why cant the US take VIP nad make it their own.

word. japan should definitely get credit, but i don't see why we can't do our own thing.

i mean shouldn't we contribute something to the movement rather than just feeding off it? maybe we should be putting in some of our own cues. they look to us the same as we look to them.

[Yokotas13]

I understand. I believe that, too, but on the other hand "who cares about Japan" when using the Japanese style is sitting on your friends couch "who cares about your couch" while you're sitting on it.
.
but take theh style, make it YOUR vip style

why do you guys care if someoen says your car is VIP?

i have more money in garson stuff, then most of you bought yoru cars for, and i could care less if it makes me VIP. i bought it becuyase shits pimp as fuck in an in your face kinda way.

i could care less if you say my car is VIP, and you should be the same way1

[widebody_Q]

I think the creativity is really low here in the states. Thats the real problem.


From pics and magazines, I would say that VIP in Japan is at a hotrodder or low rider level. Here, its like who ever has the most money wins and is the most VIP.

[Avantgarde]

I think the creativity is really low here in the states. Thats the real problem.


From pics and magazines, I would say that VIP in Japan is at a hotrodder or low rider level. Here, its like who ever has the most money wins and is the most VIP.


I don't know man

US has many styles all our own. you've got the Hi-Siders, Lowriders, Slabs, and Hot Rodders, mini trucking, as well as Off Roading stylized forms. Lets be honest, how many of those trucks in "Truckin" magazine really go offroading LOL!

That said...I see you point Yokota. and what we do, the japanese typically imitate. so if we wanted to, we could effectively swing the market one way or the other based on our consumption.

I'm with you Micheal and Yokota
(Ivan BTW if you didn't catch it from that last thread:smiley-rofl: )



This is why i said it's all about the stance...once you get the stance right, I'd love to see some more creative things happen.

[zion_97]

but take theh style, make it YOUR vip style

why do you guys care if someoen says your car is VIP?

i have more money in garson stuff, then most of you bought yoru cars for, and i could care less if it makes me VIP. i bought it becuyase shits pimp as fuck in an in your face kinda way.

i could care less if you say my car is VIP, and you should be the same way1
:liar: :yahoo_76: bro you can't tell us you dont care..every time you do anything to your car you post a thread..

for someone who does not care thats alot of
pointless threads started and pics to show what you have accomplished..Its like the real rich folks dont need to wear all name brands to prove to the world they have money..but the folks that are well off want to prove it to everyone with all there toys, so that every one knows they have money..

So I think that deep down inside you do care if people think your car is VIP. Remember your not Japanese your American living in Japan.

[zion_97]

I think the creativity is really low here in the states. Thats the real problem.


From pics and magazines, I would say that VIP in Japan is at a hotrodder or low rider level. Here, its like who ever has the most money wins and is the most VIP.

Yeah that is kinda true about the money and all...but as far as creativity Theres alot of lowrider cars here in Tucson and in Cali that have way more style to them than lots of cars on this forum including mine.

Lots of time money and labor that goes into a show car lowrider..Think about all those fools who gold plate there whole under carriage and plush interiors and hydros candy ghost paint jobs..I mean I have not seen a car on this site that can compete to some of the show quality cars I have seen in my days.

When I lived in cali we use to roll broadway in national city and mission beach and some of the finest cars I have seen yet was back in the 90's....

Maybe we are not as creative in VIP but thats a whole other ball game..

[widebody_Q]

I don't know man

US has many styles all our own. you've got the Hi-Siders, Lowriders, Slabs, and Hot Rodders, mini trucking, as well as Off Roading stylized forms. Lets be honest, how many of those trucks in "Truckin" magazine really go offroading LOL!




I know this. Thats why I mentioned low riders. What im saying is that the vip communite here in the US, is not as creative or just scared to modify their luxury cars to the level that the Japanese have been.

Back to the original topic


there are no VIP brands. Putting on a JP kit with some 20" spinners wont make you vip.

[Avantgarde]

I know this. Thats why I mentioned low riders. What im saying is that the vip communite here in the US, is not as creative or just scared to modify their luxury cars to the level that the Japanese have been.

Oh ok...I misread...

Alright, yea, I'm 100% with you then. I think it's the self-imposed "strict rules" that's stifling creativity. You can't do much if This has to be this, that has to be that, you can't do that when you do this... Etc.

When you stifle creativity you get stagnation. Hence the reason for the Admin making this thread i assume "there's no such thing as VIP Brands" It's all about the style

Back on topic w00t

[zion_97]

Then lets just all agree that there is no such thing as VIP in the states and just mod sick ass cars and everybody is in the same boat regardless of color,race relgion and platform...

IF we do this then this topic should not come up again..You either have a sick ass ride or not..leave the VIP out of it and lets call this site Sickass-Wide-N-Lowcars.com

There no more arguing about who is VIP what is VIP and how can I be VIP..

[Yokotas13]

:liar: :yahoo_76: bro you can't tell us you dont care..every time you do anything to your car you post a thread..

for someone who does not care thats alot of
pointless threads started and pics to show what you have accomplished..Its like the real rich folks dont need to wear all name brands to prove to the world they have money..but the folks that are well off want to prove it to everyone with all there toys, so that every one knows they have money..

So I think that deep down inside you do care if people think your car is VIP. Remember your not Japanese your American living in Japan.
ik do it becuase im an attention *****, and like to ***** my car

doesnt in any way relate to care. lol

remember your car doesnt have wood, just painted plastic :)

why you gotta be racist?

[Avantgarde]

why you gotta be racist?

would that be more like "nationality-ist"???

lol jk:dance:

dammit i'm going to hit 100 post tonight!

[Yokotas13]

either way, who cares?
ive lived in japan longer than any other palce ive been except my hom e city.
hopefully i can extend to 2014

[zion_97]

ik do it becuase im an attention *****, and like to ***** my car

doesnt in any way relate to care. lol

remember your car doesnt have wood, just painted plastic :)

why you gotta be racist?

NO you do it cuase you care and you want to rub it in our faces that you can go through rims like a Street walker does men..http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j298/q45t07/wackit.gif

NOt beeing racists I just think you think that your actually Japanes sometimes and sometimes you gotta get whacked on the head and come back into reality.

Besides I would rather live here..I cant stand Oriental food...ahahahahahah..I need me some Tacos,Tamales rice and beans..no sushi for me mayng..but I must say;

I learned from the best YOU!...sound familiar..if you cant take it dont dish it.. Remember your parts are held with zip ties not bolts..hahahaha LOL..

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j298/q45t07/crash3.gif

[Yokotas13]

yeah, too bad you cant show a picture of recent with zipties on it :)

you can try and attack me all you want. but in the end, i win...

no matter what lol
becuase i dont care

im not the one with japan in my location.....frontin

[Blitz]

I was thinking about pancakes for breakfest...what about you guys?

[Blitz]

oh... everybody thanks for killing my TSW wheels thread....

[V.I.P_EPIK]

agreed more ....:thelaw:

[VIPStyleCars]

man you guys get so personal when it comes to this stuff...

Even on these forums my car has been called "EXE" Look at the fitment of the wheels I have. They are NOT aggressive at all. However, look at the company it came from. Plus being probably the ONLY set of 20" Scaras stateside, ( I could be wrong about this, I don't pay attention to that stuff anymore ) I still get called EXE here. You know what? That doesn't bother me at all. Why? I built it the way I wanted it to be. Yea, ok, it was built with ONE company's part. Still the outcome I wanted.

Anyways, I wrote that article back in like 2003? Right after I began putting the GS together? I had the car on display FULL JP in 2003. That was before anyone cared, knew, believed in this thing we argue about.

Anyways, Are there VIP Brands? I have no opinion on it. All I care about is that we are able to define our own section of VIP car styling. We started a site named "VIP Style Cars" Meaning, that cars with the aspirations of VIP Styling are welcome here. In other words, just learn the basis, the foundations of VIP Styling and you are good. I didn't want to create an eliteist group that says... ONLY VIP CARS welcome here.. no, thats not what we want from here. I want people to find a peaceful place where we can educate, share ideas, and have a great environment to discuss all what we know and love.

so stop arguing please.... Get along for once. This is all that we got, no need to act like we are better than everyone else no matter where we live, are from, or what we do. Lets keep VSC clean and allow people new to this place learn and share ideas constructively.

end Admin rant #2 =)