hid question

[dilemma]

i have a first gen gs300. i heard that if u put aftermarket hid it will burn the wire and burn the fuse or melt it. i s this true?. im thinking of putting 8000k or maybe just 6000k.

[zion_97]

no not if you install them properly. There are a lot of plug and play systems out there that are great.

[CharismaY33]

go with a McCulloch or Phillps kit. Ah there great quality and yea if installed the proper way you should have zero problemos...

i would expect to pay a nice penny for a good set because these are true hid lights and not xenon cheapy's.

Plus i always go quality so things like burnouts and mishappens dont happen haha....... ;D

[hahajoey]

actually there are many ways to "wire" hids..

the way i prefer is to use a BOSCH Relay and divert the power from the battery straight to the ballasts
and ground the negatives.

use the factory wiring as a remote(or a switch) wire to activate the relay.
so the factory wires are just used as a signal and u can put whatever wire you feel like.

like people have stated, there are many kits that come with correct setups and wiring harnesses..

[CharismaY33]

good call joey i wanted to state that you can use relays but wasnt sure then post wrong good looking dude. ;)

[zion_97]

Relays are good but some kits you just dont need them. Take the Phillips kit for example. The ballast have built in ignitors and they are simply just plug and play.
In my opion these are the best kits toget. Quality all the way with Phillips (German Made) cant go wrong.

[hahajoey]

Built in ignitors?
im not sure what you are talking about.
wether the kit has it built in or not, the power actually goes to the ballast first, then to the
ignitor(built-in or not).. where then it goes to the bulb..

a relay will give the ballasts a more regulated current.. straight from the battery.

in other words, lets say you have your ballast directly wired to your factory wires..(+ and -).
and you turn on the lights, then start your car. chances are, there will be a little bit of a flicker
or maybe even a flash or two where the voltage drops.

from my experience, a relay will almost totally eliminate that flash or drop in voltage.
in fact, i've used relays in integras, civics, cr-v's, scion's, and many other cars.
it's proven to work well..

and i've owned phillips kit, muculugh*sp, xtec, osram/hella/denso ballast,
thunderbeam, and a few others..

[hahajoey]

http://www.the12volt.com/images2/addremacc.gif

i highly recommend bosch relays because they seem to last me years and years.

the above illustration is what i use for a car which is a constant ground
and a positive(hot) turn on wire.. (most hondas are like this)..
you would ground the ballast, and then just hookup the wire(fan wire #30)
to the positive lead on the ballast. the remote turn on wire is the factory
+ signaled wire that turns on when you turn the lights on...

but on my scion, the voltage design is backwards. its a constant positive and the car
uses a negative wire to turn on the lights.
so i decided to reverse it. i grounded the ballast just like you would do on the honda.
but i used the relay to reverse the voltage so that a negative signal would output
a positive output from the battery.
the remote wire in this scenario would be the negative trigger wire that turns on the headlamps
on my xb i did this:
http://www.the12volt.com/images/neg2pos.gif
the 87 pin(blue) would then go out to the ballast's positive lead.
you SHOULD run like a 30 or 35amp fuse inline on the wire for
the battery hookup.

[hahajoey]

oh i forgot to mention, in both pix. the red wire is the wire that would
go to the battery, and that's the wire you would put the fuse on.

[zion_97]

No I agree relays are a good source of power. I have been using HID now for over 8 years and I know that alot of the older kits
worked alot better with a relay for example SuperVIsion HID if you pluged and played it flikkered and after using a relay it stoped. However
alot of these newer kits are made so that it is not neccessary to run a relay and that any common joe could install them. ,,PHILIPS,muculugh,HALO,Bohmen are all great kits to get. I happpen to choose Phillilps becuase it is german made and thats what are used in vehicles that come equiped with stock HID. (not all cars) and you will notice that relays are not bein used, but like I said some kits work better with relays and some dont

[hahajoey]

actually phillips, hella, osram, denso are all HID componets being used by
various car manufacturers. some are made in germany, some are made in japan,
but all are names of good brands.. BUT, they do not make an "hid kit"
or a retro fit kit..

a phillips HID kit would be a 3rd party company piecing the kit together..
i just hope people understand that when you purchase a PHILLIPS kit,
its not really from phillips, someone like me, or a shop would need to
obtain bulbs and ballast and call it a PHILLIPS kit, heck even make a box
that says phillips..

a lot of people were selling phillips HID kits, they used phillips ballast,
which is a good thing, but they paired it off with taiwain or korean bulbs..
which is the bad part.. so you think you're getting a phillips kit, but infact,
you're just getting the ballast and the bulbs are from somewhere else.

a few companies even copied phillip's distinctive 6000k ultinon line...
phillips has a blue anodized wire casing that runs along side the bulb..
a lot of companies(including the ones i was buying from) was selling
bulbs that pretty much looked like phillips but wasn't.. same wire and
everything.

as for relays not being needed, if you put some of the kits straight into
a car, im almost positive a lot of cars might pop the factory fuse.
thats where my concern comes in, i'm not sure if the factory wires
are meant to handle that intial ARC of power when the ignitors are used.

when i had my first set of hids, i ran bmw 3 series ballast. i popped my fuse over
and over. if i had my lights on before i cranked the car, it would flicker nasty.
a relay solved everything.

i did a quick search and found the Mc C's usually have relay/wiring harness,
xenondepot also has it, and so does xtec's. some of the other companies
don't give u a relay/wiring harness, i dunno if its the distrubutor who
goes cheap, or what, but i think'll work better with a relay/harness.

[aireck]

that some knowledge right there... when you have free tiime to help me connnect mine up like that Joey???