Widest Lip for '98 Lexus LS400 offset

[Bigkahuna808]

I am trying to achive a fat lip on my rims, I have a '98 Lexus LS400. I want to go staggered so what offset should I use to get this acomplished? Thanks in advance

[eurospec]

you need to give more information than just "widest lip"... you want the widest lip??? what are you willing to do???

http://www.weds.co.jp/products/kranze/lxz_celsior1.html
this weds UCF30/31 is running 19x10 -14f and 19x12 -45 r... so in the rear (45mm is about 1.8 inches and a 0 offset would give 6 inches of lip) the lip is close to 7.8 inches.


sure he has done work to make this fit but the look :o

this UCF also has crazy fitment: http://www.weds.co.jp/products/kranze/lxz_celsior3.html
19x10.5 -25 f lip aproximatly 6.25"
19x13 -41 r lip aproximatly 8 inches...


You see, just asking us what you did really gives us no boundries. What are YOU willing to do to achieve good wheel fitment.

-Rick

[Bigkahuna808]

Sorry my bad, this car thing is new to me. I've always done lifted trucks up to this point. I actually want to be able to put the widdest 18-20s with a fat lip without modifications. I dont really want to run spacers or roll the fender wells. I've read that my car runs a medium offset wich is about +25, am I right? From what I know the closer I get to zero the further the rims gets pushed out away from the center of the car. Allowing the deeper dish rims. But how low can I go in the offset before it sticks out, or causes rubbing issues?
thanks

[Lexbubba]

Can't have that much lip unless you plan on modding fenders and adding camber.

[Bigkahuna808]

So what am I looking at to match offset with lip size? Before I have to modify camber or roll the fenders?

[eurospec]

So what am I looking at to match offset with lip size?* Before I have to modify camber or roll the fenders?


a good wheel fitment for 'conservative' extreme fitments is the fabulous vehicles.
http://www.fabulous.co.jp/inc/img.asp?SID=25_1

f 20inch x 9.0j + 26 Low-Disk r 20inch x 10.5j + 30 Special-Low-Disk
245/35 ZR20 285/30 ZR20


I am sure the rears are massaged and the fronts are rolled.

don't forget, you will need suspension to really make the car look right.

-Rick

[Lexbubba]

I'd say 9/10 wide +37 offset is good for a daily set.

[Pagong]

Are you going to slam the car too?

Welcome Bigkahuna!, glad you made it here.

[Bigkahuna808]

I would love to slam it but Im scraping on my drive way at stock height. I just PM another member on CL about his L-sportline coilovers for sale though. Im actually intrested in another members Auto Coture Rims Misterics that hes selling. I kinda like to keep a fat tire on the rims, Hawaii's has more potholes than pineapples. Thanks for the offest info. What exactly is the stock offest for my info? If I grab the autocotures, they should fit after all they are comming of a GS.

[One Ton VIP]

kinda futile wanting lip w/o wanting to process the fenders... rolling/cutting the fender lips on most big luxury cars like the lexus can give you up to an additional .75-1" of offset... i.e. outer wheel lip

[Bigkahuna808]

Im just hesitant to modify the fenders since I just bought the car 3 weeks ago. Im sure that will pass in a few months

[EXE.UCF10]

I would love to slam it but Im scraping on my drive way at stock height.* I just PM another member on CL about his L-sportline coilovers for sale though.

FYI, it's a spring/shock combo, Lsportline doesn't have a coilover setup.

[Bigkahuna808]

My friend gave me some TSWs today with a offest of +40 and they didn't even come close to fitting my car. I had a little more than a inch needed to clear the calieprs. So am I correct in assuming Im going to need somthing less than or equaly to +25

[Dominik]

No, caliper clearance is a combination of offset and the wheel design ('disk' specification on many Japanese rims)

In many cases low offset, big dish rims might have a shallower mounting pad which in turn results in less caliper clearance. There are plenty of explanations of offset, high disk, low disk etc on this forum if you are still unclear..

But basically it means that even though your friend's +40 wheels didnt fit, another set of +40 wheels might fit no problems...

You could always chuck a 1" spacer behind your friend's wheels and have a low offset look (without so much dish)

[uncle_el]

In many cases low offset, big dish rims might have a shallower mounting pad which in turn results in less caliper clearance. There are plenty of explanations of offset, high disk, low disk etc on this forum if you are still unclear..

http://vipstylecars.com/forum/index.php?topic=1902.30

[Bigkahuna808]

I was looking into the spacers, but just hesitate since they are not legal to run on the streets here in Hawaii. I actaully like the chrome L Sportlines that another member is selling another forum. Anyone know if they are high disk or low disk and are they going to need spacers?

[Bigkahuna808]

Thanks for all the help guys,
I jsut bought some Lsportlines today. They are 18"x8.5 front and 18"x9.5 rear. With some fat nitto tires being almost 50 series, came to $1900. I personally liked the Lsportlines very much, with a big face, with a very conservative look. But soon as I mounted and polished the wheels we began having a huge rainstorm here in Hawaii, and now they dont look that great being very dirty.
Thanks for all your help,
aaron

[carlos]

boooo

[Pagong]

boooo


My sentiments exactly.

Why ask for a "big lip" then go with "very conservative look"? oh well, back to CL you go then.

[carlos]

i bet you could of done 10 times better with $1900 if you would of looked around for a bit.

[Bigkahuna808]

I was looking around for the big lip look, but then I saw the Lsportlines and liked them. I really like the wideness of the rims, and how they situp under the fenders. Not much choice here in Hawaii for anything great looking. All stuff that I came up with a fat lip came out of my price range with tires. Then what I did come up with my price range was generic, like RSS or Tenzos, KMC, and brands like that. I really like a pair of Mayas I came across but the price came out to $3900 with tires. Almost double of what I wanted to spend. Hawaii's markups are so high because of limited aviablitiy and high shipping cost. I really wished we had more options.

[uncle_el]

I was looking around for the big lip look, but then I saw the Lsportlines and liked them. I really like the wideness of the rims, and how they situp under the fenders. Not much choice here in Hawaii for anything great looking. All stuff that I came up with a fat lip came out of my price range with tires. Then what I did come up with my price range was generic, like RSS or Tenzos, KMC, and brands like that. I really like a pair of Mayas I came across but the price came out to $3900 with tires. Almost double of what I wanted to spend. Hawaii's markups are so high because of limited aviablitiy and high shipping cost. I really wished we had more options.


but there are plenty of wheels that are wide... and 8.5 & 9.5, while wider than stock, are pretty typical for these cars...
i understand that shipping can be a hassle, and i suppose at the end of the day, as long as you like the wheels you purchased, that's all that really matters.

[Bigkahuna808]

I really do like them, I wish they were bigger, but I stiil do like them. A little side note though. After I bought and mounted the rims. I recived a phone call from my freind willing to sell me Racing Heart c2s with black centers and chrome face for $1000 with tires in 19x7.5s. Kind of a good deal, by just not my style. As it applies to a side not, not many people even have heard of Lsportlines, so its kinda neat. This is my first set of car rims ever, and Im not to familar with offests, disks, and styles. I seen them on a GS in a pic. Liked them, found them, bought them. I am going to be in Japan next year and maybe I can just bring an new set of rims home with me. Maybe by then, I will have made tons of progress with my car and have outgrown the Lsportlines in style and wanting somthing new. On my lifted truck I went through 4 sets of rims in 6 years. All because I got bored with the style and wanted to change it up. Thanks to you guys for teaching me about rim fitting and styles. Hopefully I can learn more and more I read more posts and give and take opinions, so that I can actually become a productive member of this board.

[Pagong]

A lot of PATIENCE is needed when looking for wheels. Couldve had a nice set of Autocouture wheels with a few extra hundred dollars
for some tires.

AutoCouture from {-.-}= 1250
Lsportlines with tires = 1900

Next time.

[Bigkahuna808]

Damn,
I rushed and bought the set without waiting. Im impulsive and cannot wait to get things gone. I really wish I had waited, maybe I can sell these and go with the autocotures. If not next year, I will have some new wheels most likley.

[Lexbubba]

I have amistad D's offsets 9.5 -10 10-1 3.5" lip front 4.5" rear.

[jdmsh1t]

hah. well on a side note, i have a 96 ls400 and i am LOOKING for wheels at the moment. located in socal. i had recently gotten a paintjob already so i dont think i can do much fender work. Can i fit 19x9.5 and 19x10.5 with a offset around +10-20's with spacers or is it not likely to be accomplished. the car is lowered on wald coilovers. any help would be appreciated thanks.

[carlos]

why would u want spacers? get the right size wheel and you wont need spacers.

[UTA LS]

hah. well on a side note, i have a 96 ls400 and i am LOOKING for wheels at the moment. located in socal. i had recently gotten a paintjob already so i dont think i can do much fender work. Can i fit 19x9.5 and 19x10.5 with a offset around +10-20's with spacers or is it not likely to be accomplished. the car is lowered on wald coilovers. any help would be appreciated thanks.


That would require lots of fender work.

19x9 +20 and 19x10 +20 stick out about 20mm

[Pagong]

I have amistad D's offsets 9.5 -10 10-1 3.5" lip front 4.5" rear.


So you're the other person who got the Amistad D's..... :)

[Lexbubba]

Yup :D

[{-.-}]

So you're the other person who got the Amistad D's.....* *:)


;)

[Bigkahuna808]

nice rims, I was looking for rims like that on island here, but nothing came up

[Lexbubba]

As far as vip goes theres no shop here on oahu that specializes in it. The only way to get stuff is to bring it in from japan, or find someone locally that brings parts in from japan.

[Bigkahuna808]

yeah,
I was looking at hi-pace racing and Munky works. Im looking at thier directions for some body kits. I also found that Romeo over a Atomic's can bring in Wald.

[jdmsh1t]

That would require lots of fender work.

19x9 +20 and 19x10 +20 stick out about 20mm


so what would you advise me to get without doing massive fender work as i did my paintjob already. does knocking in the wheel well help at all? also i want to achieve some negative camber on a daily driving basis. so ultimately 19x9 F 19x10.5 will fit with what offsets as extreme without fender work. im not exactly looking for really conservative offsets. i know already messed up doing the paintjob first :'( so just bear with me and giive me your advice.

[Lexbubba]

yeah,
I was looking at hi-pace racing and Munky works.* Im looking at thier directions for some body kits.* I also found that Romeo over a Atomic's can bring in Wald.
I herd munky works can bring in some stuff. Didn't know romeo brought in wald stuff.

[Lexbubba]

so what would you advise me to get without doing massive fender work as i did my paintjob already. does knocking in the wheel well help at all? also i want to achieve some negative camber on a daily driving basis. so ultimately 19x9 F 19x10.5 will fit with what offsets as extreme without fender work. im not exactly looking for really conservative offsets. i know already messed up doing the paintjob first :'( so just bear with me and giive me your advice.


Could be worst your fronts could stick out 2" and your rears 1.75".

[Bigkahuna808]

1gencl,
Yep Romeo is a Wald rep, I think the only one here in Hawaii. Ive know him for a few years, he's actually my friends cousin. I might go down to Munky and check them out into what they can get for my car from the mother land. Im mainly looking for exhaust right now and curtains if I come across it. I heard Munky is now offering to flare you fender wells to allow for greater clearance. Good to know if I decide to chagne up my wheels and grab some fatty wheels. Where have you been sourcing your parts on island?
thanks bro

[UTA LS]

so what would you advise me to get without doing massive fender work as i did my paintjob already. does knocking in the wheel well help at all? also i want to achieve some negative camber on a daily driving basis. so ultimately 19x9 F 19x10.5 will fit with what offsets as extreme without fender work. im not exactly looking for really conservative offsets. i know already messed up doing the paintjob first :'( so just bear with me and giive me your advice.


i'd say somewhere in the low 30's for offset... like 30 to be exact, should stick out a little but that'll go away with camber gain when its dropped a lot. How old is your paintjob? Did they shoot new paint over your old stuff or new paint over bare metal? The good thing about having a recently painted car is you can do some mild fender work without having to worry about paint cracking, it should flex a lot more than most paints.

Just make sure whoever rolls your fender isn't an idiot.

[UTA LS]

1gencl,
Yep Romeo is a Wald rep.


Is that the same Romeo who's a drug dealer and used to own a r34?

[Bigkahuna808]

so the story goes, but most people in the import buiness have a little dirty laundery somewhere. No biggie to me, he a cool guy.

[UTA LS]

My boss now owns his r34.

I heard Romeo was kinda scary looking and paid for the $25k conversion at Motorex in cash.

[Lexbubba]

1gencl,
Yep Romeo is a Wald rep, I think the only one here in Hawaii.* Ive know him for a few years, he's actually my friends cousin.* I might go down to Munky and check them out into what they can get for my car from the mother land.* Im mainly looking for exhaust right now and curtains if I come across it.* I heard Munky is now offering to flare you fender wells to allow for greater clearance.* Good to know if I decide to chagne up my wheels and grab some fatty wheels.* Where have you been sourcing your parts on island?
thanks bro


nah everything here is expensive and no one really carries vip parts. The best bet is online or through someone that can get em.

[jdmsh1t]

i'd say somewhere in the low 30's for offset... like 30 to be exact, should stick out a little but that'll go away with camber gain when its dropped a lot. How old is your paintjob? Did they shoot new paint over your old stuff or new paint over bare metal? The good thing about having a recently painted car is you can do some mild fender work without having to worry about paint cracking, it should flex a lot more than most paints.

Just make sure whoever rolls your fender isn't an idiot.


alright thanks alot. my paintjob is about 1 month old. im not too sure if they painted over bare metal but its good work. my friend told me takumi project does some pretty good fender work w/o harming the paint. so if that is the case, ill try to fit 19x9 and 19x10.5 with 20's offsets with a little fender work. that should work right? :)

[UTA LS]

+20 offset would be a LOT of work, probably shaved lips and then pulled. should poke out about an inch from stock sheetmetal, seems like a lot of work to me to risk ruining paint.

[Bigkahuna808]

Damn your boss has his old car, if I rember right he was forced to sell it. Nah Romez aint scary, scary is a 7 foot 500 pound sole in a back alley at night asking to borrow money. And that ussaly means he's asking for more than a dolla to catch the bus. Romeo is a nice guy, and its a pleaseue to know him. Sure he made mistakes in the pass but who hasen't. Romes was giving me fair prices on the Wald stuff. It was MSRP with free shipping. I can beat that for buying somthing from somewhere in Hawaii.

[jdmsh1t]

+20 offset would be a LOT of work, probably shaved lips and then pulled. should poke out about an inch from stock sheetmetal, seems like a lot of work to me to risk ruining paint.


hmm i see, so what offset wheels would you recommend for me. i dont want to go too conservative but i want to retain the VIP EXE look. thnx

[UTA LS]

19x9 and 19x10.5 with offsets in the -low 30's will achieve a decently agressive wheel fitment without being too extreme. Should need just a slight pull on the fenders if any, maybe just a roll and slam. From what I've read LS fenders are hard to pull and should be avoided when possible. Speedalliance on here has some experiance with rolling fenders on an LS I believe, shoot him a PM if it is something you decide you want to do.

[brianlin87]

19x9 and 19x10.5 with offsets in the -low 30's will achieve a decently agressive wheel fitment without being too extreme. Should need just a slight pull on the fenders if any, maybe just a roll and slam. From what I've read LS fenders are hard to pull and should be avoided when possible. Speedalliance on here has some experiance with rolling fenders on an LS I believe, shoot him a PM if it is something you decide you want to do.


UTA LS - what are the specs of the wheels in your signature?

[RobSoVip]

UTA LS - what are the specs of the wheels in your signature?

That car in his sig was a Celsior for sale in Japan which I posted the picture up on the board a year or so ago, so Im doubting he is familiar with the offsets.

[UTA LS]

I wish I was familiar, sure is a nice car although the rims arn't excatly my cup of tea.

The fenders do look stock, may have a very slight pull to it but its hard to tell. What are you looking for as far as wheel fitment?

[brianlin87]

as you stated - the fenders do look stock - i just recently purchased a UCF 10 and am looking for 19" dish wheels similar to those... the fitment on those seems perfect, but that should also be accredited to the drop as well.

[lexkost]

4" on my 96LS400

[lexkost]

Another pic

[DEEPDISH]

19x9 and 19x10.5 rear 5inch lip. :o

[viplife]

19x9 and 19x10.5 rear 5inch lip. :o


if he had 2 inches less lip in front and back the wheels would actually fit on the car.

[Gao Jian]

actually I would say about 2 degrees more camber and a inch drop and they would fit like butter, even still they look nice!

[bippu]

How would these fit....

Front: 20 - 9.0 +26 Fabulous Profound Silver
Rear: 20 - 10.5 +30 Fabulous Profound Silver

[vip_steve]

How would these fit....

Front: 20 - 9.0 +26 Fabulous Profound Silver
Rear: 20 - 10.5 +30 Fabulous Profound Silver






For the LS' it would be flush my idea of a "perfect" fit. :P

[Benji]

19x9 and 19x10.5 rear 5inch lip. :o
What are the offsets? Looks good to me.

[Flat Four]

Another pic


What kinda wheels and fitment/offset? Looks nice to me. You're car is always clean, Lexkost.

[dbltakegs3]

how would a 19x9 +24 and a 19x10 +12 on a 98 ls400... will this work
i think the front will be ok..... but how will the back sit....more inside the wheel well.....
could some one explain the difference of 10inch +12 offset and a 10inch +30 offset???
which one sticks inside the wheel well more...
I have no idea how offset works....... thanks in advance

[jzz30tt]

how* *would a 19x9 +24 and a 19x10 +12 on a 98 ls400... will this work
i think the* front will be ok..... but* how will the back sit....more inside the wheel well.....
could some one explain the difference of 10inch +12 offset and a 10inch +30 offset???
which one sticks inside the wheel well more...
I have no idea how offset works....... thanks in advance


lol someones been looking on memoryfab eh?

[jdmsh1t]

finally guys, after quite some time, i found a set of RAYS arthur exhange LK in 19x9 f 19x10 r +30 all around. Now, what kind of tires and what specs do you guys rec? 235 35 19 stretched for the rears? a roll should be enough to clear it? thanks :)

[One Ton VIP]

225/245s will work fine, stretch well, and still give you decent load rating for the vehicle weight.