USA: VIP really isn't "VIP"

[VIPete]

I've been studying this "VIP trend" for quite sometime.. just wanted to know your thoughts on this subject.

I like how VIP isn't really "VIP" .. I've noticed show car guys with a Matrix, Neon or Civic (etc.) would spend more money on their rice rockets than a VIP guy would for quality parts....

Sad, but kinda true :-[

[UrbanTacticz]

that's because those guys aren't true VIP guy's!

case in point: i had a guy with a gs300 ask me for ADR wheels because he wanted to make his car VIP. all he cared about was maximum lip. GRRR those customers really do aggrivate me! :tickedoff:

we need some VIPolice :knuppel2: :police:

[firelizard]

I personally believe Vip is about how the car turns out, in terms of looks, and quality, and successful Vip style, not the names on the parts.

[UrbanTacticz]

I agree with you.

But, how is a person supposed to even attempt to build a VIP vehicle with ADR wheels? You can't get a good stance with those wheels, and being flush is a whole other story.

[One Ton VIP]

I've been studying this "VIP trend" for quite sometime.. just wanted to know your thoughts on this subject.

I like how VIP isn't really "VIP" .. I've noticed show car guys with a Matrix, Neon or Civic (etc.) would spend more money on their rice rockets than a VIP guy would for quality parts....

Sad, but kinda true* :-[


You know what's awesome.... look around the denizens of this site-which is, incidentally, probably the single most VIP-centric web resource in the US right now-and you'll see quite a number of cheapy cheaps.
Cheapy cheaps who always talk about wanting to be "reppin' for the VIP"
Thanks.... thanks.....

[BAFOMET]

I would offer the general opinion that money does not equal quality. This applies whether you are referring to car tuning, or something completely unrelated, like watches. You can spend $2,000 on a Movado watch and still not have the same quality and precision craftsmanship presented in a watch half the cost.

When it comes to vehicle tuning you need not look at the ultimate dollar value spent as the determinant of a vehicles quality, but rather the attention to detail and the overall execution. If you can put together a VIP car for $10,000 vs. spending $100,000, why wouldn't you? If the execution is correct, the styling is on point, and you have ultimately achieved your original goal, money is of no consequence.

[Gao Jian]

I would offer the general opinion that money does not equal quality.* This applies whether you are referring to car tuning, or something completely unrelated, like watches.* You can spend $2,000 on a Movado watch and still not have the same quality and precision craftsmanship presented in a watch half the cost.

When it comes to vehicle tuning you need not look at the ultimate dollar value spent as the determinant of a vehicles quality, but rather the attention to detail and the overall execution.* If you can put together a VIP car for $10,000 vs. spending $100,000, why wouldn't you?* If the execution is correct, the styling is on point, and you have ultimately achieved your original goal, money is of no consequence.


good points

[actolex]

I've been studying this "VIP trend" for quite sometime.. just wanted to know your thoughts on this subject.

I like how VIP isn't really "VIP" .. I've noticed show car guys with a Matrix, Neon or Civic (etc.) would spend more money on their rice rockets than a VIP guy would for quality parts....

Sad, but kinda true* :-[



Would that include the large influx of Scions emulating the style? These have cropped up at almost every event I've attended and seem to be growing.....maybe even faster than the VIP platform cars.

[Gao Jian]

Would that include the large influx of Scions emulating the style?* These have cropped up at almost every event I've attended and seem to be growing.....maybe even faster than the VIP platform cars.


Scion's are much cheaper than the newer VIP cars and most of the time part of the new JDM craze. Why do a JDM civic when you can make a bB!

[VIPete]

Scion's are much cheaper than the newer VIP cars and most of the time part of the new JDM craze. Why do a JDM civic when you can make a bB!


I suppose it does include the VIP/JDM Scion market. Those guys (most of them as least) would opt to look for and purchase quality parts (esp. for JDM builds).

Btw, I'd rather build a JDM Civic than a bB simply because they'd be more enjoyable to drive and multifunctional. Not to mention faster too =).

A key note to point out is a new scion still cost more than what most of us on this forum paid for-for our "VIP builder" platforms. In most minds, I would assume they would rather start off with a new car than building an old car (since the new car is cheap to begin with).

As far as Scions emulating the VIP scene, I think it goes hand in hand to what we are doing. Especially if they have full aftermarket support. Otherwise, let them do the job as the "precursor" to VIPstyle. That is, if how we execute our projects with the sophistication of what VIPstyle really is.

This leads me to my original point. How most "show car' guys are more inclined to shell out money to build their cars and how most VIP owners don't opt to attain quality parts or spend the money to get the parts they really want.

This isn't directed to everyone and obviously those who know, know. But time and time again, I meet a VIP enthusiast who inquired about getting a certain part, then actually hears the actual price to get these parts, back out then choose the sometimes “cheaper and less classier” counterpart – which in turns make their car look like ASS.* Why is this? VIP tuning is currently in a rare form. AND finding parts to build our cars are even rarer.. PLUS this style showcases the epitome of class and sophistication. Why taint that with ADR wheels, weak fitting wheels, cheesy cheap curtains, a* knock off kit, a home depot tray and the list goes on and on.....

Bottom line, is it really VIP? When your parts and the way you build your project – exposes the latter?

[firelizard]

That might just be because the prices are so discouraging.
It's too tempting to get wheels that are 300 bucks a rim, (instead of $2,000) for some people.
Also, some people disregard the quality difference at first, or don't consider it when they purchase.
Also, the prices for some knick knacks are just absurd, I mean seriously, Junction Produce stickers are 60 bucks, so you can see why people tend to settle for non-authentic parts.

[VIPete]

That might just be because the prices are so discouraging.
It's too tempting to get wheels that are 300 bucks a rim, (instead of $2,000) for some people.
Also, some people disregard the quality difference at first, or don't consider it when they purchase.
Also, the prices for some knick knacks are just absurd, I mean seriously, Junction Produce stickers are 60 bucks, so you can see why people tend to settle for non-authentic parts.


That's not the question of buying wheels. I've offered nice well fitting wheels for dirt cheap but then customers see cheap nick nack wheels for less on ebay then chooses those. Making for a cheap presentation... that you have to agree there are quite a few who are guilty of that =(.

But I do have to agree with you that $60 for a sticker is Absurd. Especially if people who are looking for Junction Produce stickers have nothing Junction Produce on their cars except a Junction Produce Fusa.

[UrbanTacticz]

You know what? I don't even care anymore just as long as my car is clean and built correctly. In the end, it will make it look that much better and maybe that will convince people to to buy real parts. 8)

[VIPete]

You know what? I don't even care anymore just as long as my car is clean and built correctly. In the end, it will make it look that much better and maybe that will convince people to to buy real parts. 8)


That's because you like to spend money, time and research getting quality parts. Good going.... show car guy.

[firelizard]

That's not the question of buying wheels. I've offered nice well fitting wheels for dirt cheap but then customers see cheap nick nack wheels for less on ebay then chooses those. Making for a cheap presentation... that you have to agree there are quite a few who are guilty of that =(.

I see, I guess then it's just a matter of people not caring enough about doing right, just getting it done cheap.
If only people would listen to the people who know what they're talking about before they start buying a bunch of crap, then get hurt when people flame their rides.

I have to admit, I'm somewhere in between. I definitely appreciate "the finer things", but at the same time, I can't justify saving thousands of dollars to import a fresh set of wheels from Japan, just so I can say I'm legit while ruining my investment driving all over town with them. I'm personally much more at ease with the idea of buying used, slightly imperfect wheels, but that fit and look right, though the name on them doesn't matter much to me, I just need to stay a bit on the practical side when considering purchases and how much I'm willing to pay. This particular reasoning is more based on the car I drive and my income though...I know if money was no problem, shelling out big bucks on top of the line wheels would be no problem either, so maybe I can understand better why people jump on the cheap stuff so much faster.

It's not immediately that you can see the benefits of waiting, researching, and saving, for just the right parts (and note I say "right" not "most popular or expensive"), and usually, I think, the ones who get sucked into making poor purchases regret it afterwards.

[UrbanTacticz]

That's because you like to spend money, time and research getting quality parts. Good going.... show car guy.

haha

hell yeah i like to spend money because my cars are an investment. you gotta love wholesale pricing ;D

build the cars, enjoy them, show them off at shows, network yourself, get exposure, and slang em! thats how it's done! 8)

it is easier said than done though but me and you have an advantage because we are industry guys haha

[UrbanTacticz]

haha

hell yeah i like to spend money because my cars are an investment. you gotta love wholesale pricing ;D

build the cars, enjoy them, show them off at shows, network yourself, get exposure, and slang em! thats how it's done! 8)

it is easier said than done though but me and you have an advantage because we are industry guys haha

thats a good approach though--buying used. i bought my wheels used but it doesnt mean that they are cheap or crappy. its much wiser to buy used anyways, let someone else get hit with the depreciation costs instead of you. another reason why i bought my car used ;)

[VIPete]

Prashant -- Why did you quote yourself?* :uglystupid2:


Firelizard - Your response is mature and respectable. That is a very good take on this subject. I guess my whole thing with it is not so much about spending the money, but rather people not concentrating on quality parts and taking time to research how to do it right.

I'd give the guy props who buys used Works for cheap that fit well, rather than the guy who buys brand new ADR's that fit like ass.

It is inherently true.... how it's easy to say but hard to do... is when you are building a project (as anything with life): Execution and Follow through are key objectives for a successful project.

[Dominik]

I've been studying this "VIP trend" for quite sometime.. just wanted to know your thoughts on this subject.

I like how VIP isn't really "VIP" .. I've noticed show car guys with a Matrix, Neon or Civic (etc.) would spend more money on their rice rockets than a VIP guy would for quality parts....

Sad, but kinda true :-[


There are 2 simple explanations for this:
1) The reason alot of VIP enthusiasts are into the style, is because it exudes an air of wealth and style. Face it, a well done VIP car looks like it belongs to a top-class gangster.

And 99% of the time, we want our car to give that image because they/we are NOT wealthy or a gangster. There are exceptions (Jon?? :D), but alot of us are not the big ballers that the cars would tend to indicate. We scrape together the cash to buy some dope wheels or kit/respray and then front like money aint a thang...*

2) For those who can genuinely say they are not trying to pose as a rich gangster (the other 1% who are actually wealthy, or those who have simply grown out of the rice-rocket/boy racer stage) are probably intelligent enough not to drop such large amounts of cash on a depreciating asset. Face it, spending thousands on a widebody is not a good financial investment - much better to invest that money in real estate or the share market.

Its sad, but true. I want my car to look like it belongs to a gangster, but i dont want to be a gangster. I'm at the age where I need be saving for a house deposit... :(

[MidnightVIP]

Most people get knock off and poor quality prodcuts because they are on a budget. I know sure as hell, VIP styling is not a low budget project, but whats wrong with getting a knock off JP kit when it looks exactly the same and costs much less when you are low on cash? I understand your points but its not always the same for everyone. Also there are those who want to be VIP but arent educated in the style, so they just go by what they see on the net and what their friends tell them.

[Pagong]

When it comes to vehicle tuning you need not look at the ultimate dollar value spent as the determinant of a vehicles quality, but rather the attention to detail and the overall execution.* If you can put together a VIP car for $10,000 vs. spending $100,000, why wouldn't you?* If the execution is correct, the styling is on point, and you have ultimately achieved your original goal, money is of no consequence.


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[J Stuff]

Most people get knock off and poor quality prodcuts because they are on a budget. I know sure as hell, VIP styling is not a low budget project, but whats wrong with getting a knock off JP kit when it looks exactly the same and costs much less when you are low on cash? I understand your points but its not always the same for everyone. Also there are those who want to be VIP but arent educated in the style, so they just go by what they see on the net and what their friends tell them.


I understand and know what you mean about the knock off JP kit but in the end thats what it is. Its kinda sad when people ask if its real or not and then you say its fake. No respect in that. Same thing, fake LV vs real LV. I have a real wallet, but a lot of my friends have fake. Sure it looks the same but it really isnt the same, you can tell. Also having that real wallet in your pocket certainly "feels" different than having a knock off made in hong long for $5-$20 bucks

If you're gona get quality parts in the begining might as well do that throughout.

[firelizard]

Also having that real wallet in your pocket certainly "feels" different than having a knock off made in hong long for $5-$20 bucks

Yeah, the real one is a lot lighter :2funny:

[J Stuff]

and not plastic/rubber like as it gets worn :P

[NG C-Klasse]

This debate is retarded. There is too many perceptional issues being brought up. Opinions are driving most of the information here, which to me is completely unfounded. The fact remains that VIP is something you either get or you don't. It's not just the cars, it's an attitude, a lifestyle, and an understanding. There are also many levels of tuning involved. There is no "ONE" way to tune/build a VIP car. There are other swing-off styles associated too, such as EXE/EXC and even some of X5/Spocom is similar, but more "DUB" styled (similar to what you see in LS magazine). In the US, people just find the look of the cars cool but don't understand the culture. They decide, hey I'm going to try to make one of those...mostly not understanding the dedication and time/money it takes to complete such projects and make them look right. I can't explain the feeling..it's this mean (not angry mean), aggressive attitude, but wrapped in a respected, chill demeanor. There is a close association to the Yakuza with a sector of VIP. (I must add the Yakuza is far different than most of you think. It's more of a business and less of a "mafia". They are actually quite cool and not "gangsters" like most people in the US think.) So really VIP is more of a lifestyle that the majority of the US just doesn't get...and that's okay I guess. I don't expect everyone to understand, and having an interest in the cars is cool. I mean it's nice to see more people getting involved with the tuning aspect of it and we'll just have to be happy that people like that help the market grow..but it's really not the same here as it is in Japan. I used to drive by this one dealer near Yakota which was all VIP cars...the whole place...and time almost stood still each time I passed it. It gave me a feeling...and that feeling is why I live that lifestyle today.

[BAFOMET]

Well said, and excellent points!* Though this isn't Japan, the lifestyle and the attitude that you speak of are exactly the point.* I may be a newbie here, but the appeal of this style of tuning, at least to me, is that it fits the lifestyle that most of us either live or aspire to.* The wealth, the power, and the attitude exuded by VIP cars is simply a relfection upon the type of person that drives one.

From a purist's perspective it's difficult to see people "buying" into, or one-dimensionally representing your passion, but it's something that will happen regardless of the efforts of the hardcore.* Either way, most of you here can simply take comfort in the fact that you know more than most ever will about the true meaning and origin of this VIP style.

OK, now that I sound like a car tuning preacher... someone make a joke!* *:uglystupid2:

[firelizard]

someone make a joke! :uglystupid2:

My Protege is a Vip car.




I agree with NG about the lifestyle, and the feeling, when it comes to true Vip, absolutely. For the casual enthusiast though, there's no need to get all obsessive.

[bBOXD]

Some here do live VIPlifestyles...




Scion and the VIP trend... How could that have possibly started...* :2funny:

[NG C-Klasse]

Some here do live VIP[b]life[/]styles...




Scion and the VIP trend... How could that have possibly started... :2funny:

I surely hope that was you being sarcastic... ;)

[username]

i guess people should start rocking some gucci suits, oakleys/gucci/whatever the f*** is expensive and breitling watches...

[NG C-Klasse]

i guess people should start rocking some gucci suits, oakleys/gucci/whatever the f*** is expensive and breitling watches...

If they want to...

[firelizard]

There's two kinds of people into Vip styling:
1. People who want to look Vip
2. People who want their car to look Vip.

[NG C-Klasse]

There's two kinds of people into Vip styling:
1. People who want to look Vip
2. People who want their car to look Vip.

I think you need to add "In the USA..."

But in all honesty, I still don't think most of you really understand the whole concept. :coolsmiley:

[{-.-}]

But in all honesty, I still don't think most of you really understand the whole concept


Maybe NOT but most have a good idea what is VIP and what is NOT...............

YOU come on here with a BENZ and try to teach them whats up......... going from NO POSTS to all most 100 in 1 week.

COME ON NOW dont be so hard on these guys :angel:

[VIPete]

I think you need to add "In the USA..."

But in all honesty, I still don't think most of you really understand the whole concept. :coolsmiley:



Hence, I think you need to re-read the tittle of this thread. ;)

[NG C-Klasse]

Hence, I think you need to re-read the tittle of this thread. ;)

I know what it says..just had to reiterrate. More or less stressing the point. Sorry if you felt I didn't need to.

[NG C-Klasse]

Maybe NOT but most have a good idea what is VIP and what is NOT...............

YOU come on here with a BENZ and try to teach them whats up......... going from NO POSTS to all most 70 in 1 week.

COME ON NOW dont be so hard on these guys :angel:

So having a Mercedes and fresh post count makes me unknowledgable? Hahahaha, I expected more out of you from what friends have said. I've been in this game for a long time..just ask Leroy. I just never came on these forums till now. Ziptied can get dull from time to time so I needed my fix. Ask Dan if I know what I'm talking about.

Anyhow, I don't doubt they have some knowledge..but knowing what VIP style is and what it's not does not make one live VIP themselves. That's my point. Like I've said before elsewhere..it's not just about the cars. In fact only part of it is about the cars. So is this thread just about the cars or VIP in its' whole.

[RobSoVip]

In fact only part of it is about the cars.* So is this thread just about the cars or VIP in its' whole.


Off topic, but this is really true. Its a lifestyle in Japan, not just an automotive styling. Which by the way, is why I tend to come down hard on some of the guys looking for "cheap" ways to modify their cars and rocking old ass wheels, poor fitting wheels or aero products, etc.

[VIPete]

Off topic, but this is really true. Its a lifestyle in Japan, not just an automotive styling. Which by the way, is why I tend to come down hard on some of the guys looking for "cheap" ways to modify their cars and rocking old ass wheels, poor fitting wheels or aero products, etc.



YES! Finally some sense for this thread! Thank you!

[NG C-Klasse]

When you say MOST have NO CLUE = " I still don't think most of you really understand the whole concept "

I LIKE MOST of these guys and they have come a long way knowing what is and whats NOT. The regulars on here HAVE A CLUE. I have watched them up and coming on here with their cars and some of them even got rid of the NON-VIPcars they had and came back with one.

I really DO NOT care what you expect out of me cause we know some of the same folks. You come on here wanting to school the guys 1st........... then what think your going to make a friend later.

If you were trying to teach me a thing or two I sure wont listen your a NEWBIE on here been here what 2 weeks and im just suppose to believe right off the bat you have alot of wisdom. I know your friends DO cause i have gotten to know them.

Your friends.....they didnt come on here BAM HERE I AM!!

Like I said before BENZ cars are NOT VIP have some style yes. Those Benz drivers dont EVEN fit in w/ the VIPcar/style guys over here.

True VIPstyle cars start off with a TRUE VIPcar.


Wow. That's all I have to say. You showed me VIP Boss! Think before posting next time....and I'll be waiting for your l33t VIP secret decoder book to hit the shelves soon!

[NG C-Klasse]

Sure thing when you get a TRUE VIPCar you can get the book :angel:

I have one already genious. You REALLY don't understand how wrong you are do you? Haha, this gets even better.
http://www.politicsphilly.com/images/under-construction.gif

[Dominik]

Hey NG C-Klasse, perhaps you can let everyone know How did you learn all of this stuff about Japanese VIP? Have you lived in Japan? Been part of a VIP club over there? To alot of members here you are coming off as rude, without any backup or proof. We are all very happy when someone comes along who really knows what they are talking about, so if you have real life experience then let us all know!

FWIW, i have never seen any C-class mercs in VIP mags, quite a few S-classes, and they are always titled as 'euro vip' or 'foreign (gaisha) vip'. Having said that, i dont have any *real* experience in this field; i only reflect what i read in the magazines, and on Japanese forums etc

[swifty949]

Some background about NG C-Klasse. You ever see those videos at Tokyo Auto Salon, they came out about 4 years ago? He was the one doing the interviewing with a lot of the tuners, including Junction Produce shacho.

He has lived there a number of years and his team includes a number of VIP cars, i.e. Dennis with the white Q45.

[username]

this person is acting like that falken dude and he got a lot funny shit to read.

[actolex]

Have you lived in Japan? Been part of a VIP club over there?



I think his profile says he's from Japan/Hawaii.....so my guess is that he use to or does live in Japan. Let's face it, even quotes that I've posted from Taketomi from Junction has been challenged....and he is as close as you'll get to a knowledgeable source on this subject on this forum.

[NG C-Klasse]

Hey NG C-Klasse, perhaps you can let everyone know How did you learn all of this stuff about Japanese VIP? Have you lived in Japan? Been part of a VIP club over there? To alot of members here you are coming off as rude, without any backup or proof. We are all very happy when someone comes along who really knows what they are talking about, so if you have real life experience then let us all know!

FWIW, i have never seen any C-class mercs in VIP mags, quite a few S-classes, and they are always titled as 'euro vip' or 'foreign (gaisha) vip'. Having said that, i dont have any *real* experience in this field; only reflect what i read in the magazines, and on Japanese forums etc

I don't like to go on forums and toot my horn. I wasn't aware I needed to post an "e-sume". Thanks Ray for the intro though...haha. Guys really, I'm not here to be an ass. I have a lot of info I've learned over the years from being in all aspects of automobile tuning...be it streetrods, trucks, turbo imports, drift, VIP, whatever. Yes, I did live in Japan for a while and I visit regularly when time or business permits or calls for it. I was part of a crew over there..but not a VIP crew. I was always around VIP though because of the people I knew and the businesses I have relationships with...not to mention the shop I manage which caters to VIP based customers (dealer for JP, Fabulous, WALD, Auto Couture, etc.) on a daily basis. I have built full demo and competition cars and am a driver as well (not that it matters for VIP..haha). I have freinds in places that only Lorin (DXJP) would understand. These people pretty much ARE what VIP is. I can't stress how little the cars have to do with the whole scope of things. They are a very visable part, but are only scratching the surface. I have friends who work at JP that don't drive a VIP car at all. Does that make them less knowledgable? And yes I know Taketomisan as Ray stated. Speaking of which Dan's JP aero just arrived as we speak. Foreign is gaijin..geisha is this:
http://www.overoften.org.uk/geisha.jpg
Haha, but seriously European cars are held in high regard in that society. To me I'd say a Mercedes is more VIP than a Celsior. But remember this is also a point of view type thing. The Nissan President is an excellent example of a highly regarded VIP car...as well as some of the older crowns. Yes, older cars can be VERY VIP, but it's all in the execusion. There is no difinitive list of what can and can't be used, but there is a general understanding. I have seen C-Class cars in VIP CAR before..maybe you weren't looking for them. Yes S class is seen often and is the daddy European car used. Now there is 2 sides to the coin. There are those that ARE VIP and those that are enthusiests of the culture. In most cases it isn't easy to tell them apart, but the enthusiests care more about the car aspect. I could go on forever..so I'll stop. I hold no grudges here...and I'm actually a really nice guy. Robert..don't take things so personaly when they don't match your view. Your view is not the end all end all, and neither is mine. What's even funnier is that I'm also a "Falken dude" along with the rest of Night Garage.

Just trying to fix that quote at the top..quote tags not working the way I thought it would.

[viplife]

VIP car... There is no difinitive list of what can and can't be used...

http://www.angrylife.com/temp/angrylife6005.jpg

[Dominik]

NG, Thanks for the response (what is your name by the way), i hope i didnt come off as accusatory. You raised some good points in your argument, but to answer a couple:


I wasn't aware I needed to post an "e-sume".

Its not a requirement, but it helps people understand where you are coming from. We have had people come on here as self proclaimed VIP experts, but all their knowlege is from picturebooks.

Foreign is gaijin..
Actually gaijin is foreigner, as in foreign person. I said gaisha or 外車 (characters for foreign, and car). Although i presume you are just playin... I havent seen the TAS movies, but i assume that if you are interviewing tuners and companies over there you can probably speak the lingo!


I have seen C-Class cars in VIP CAR before..maybe you weren't looking for them.

That is true, i havent been looking for them... I flick past the euro's though; I prefer Cima's and Crowns (personal thing) :smitten:


What's even funnier is that I'm also a "Falken dude" along with the rest of Night Garage.

I think he was referring to FalkDesigns, a guy who used to post here alot, and got on alot of people's nerves. There were a few big e-fights, then he left the forums after a big "good bye" post

Anyway, I dont want to start any beef with anyone here (dont think anyone does), but i do enjoy a good debate so i look forward to discussing this stuff with all of you, and robert and anyone else who knows about this stuff. Discussions like this helps others learn as well you know (including myself)

[NG C-Klasse]

ALL I MENT WAS TAKE IT EASY ON THE GUYS............... lets continue

Its cool when back then I met Dave and hes a real NICE GUY from Grip Video......... I know the rest of the guys around NG C-Klasse. I guess he knows who I am but I have NO CLUE who he is which must be a good thing they kept you in hiding.

Im glad im on the other side of the table. I dont know any of the BIG WIGs but I have a of alot of friends on the POOR SIDE that drive VERY NICE VIP cars that I have met at VIP events / meets.

This side of the table makes VIP what it is today. JP is out to make a bucks does that make him GOD. I hope hes reading this cause alot of cars they are selling kits to are NOT WELCOME at VIP events / meets. He can call me and I will tell him what im tell you all........... the down to earth guys are what VIP is today and im glad im on their side and SO SO glad they are the ones who showed me the ropes.

They can put any car in the magazine BUT the real deal is whos car is drooled over at the MEETS. I seen so many diffrent cars try to make it in the VIP sceen and show up at an event and no one talks to them and they NEVER come back. Id take a stock VIPcar over a FIXED UP NON-VIPcar anyday.

NOW what you all want in the USA VIP sceen I really dont care.......... NG C-Klasse & Actolex you guys are into making a buck which is OK just dont mess with folks heads on the NICE VIPcar they have when its NOT even a VIPcar.

This is all I wanted to say >> COME ON NOW dont be so hard on these guys :angel:

NOW we are all way off topic oh well

OH YEAH to make you feel better MOST of the Americans over here that have no clue they LOVE MY BENZ. :laugh:

I didn't know you, I had to ask Leroy who you were since I didn't have a clue. Dave is my business partner in Grip. Why would I be in hiding btw...I'm also the most noticable in our company. I always had different hair, no hair, mohawk, platinum whatever, hey I got bored...but how could you have missed me? (meaning it's obvious to SEE me, not that I think people should know me)Now it's always just bolohead (shaved).

Haha, on "the other side of the table"??? Dude..are you serious? I am involved largely with the grassroots (lets call it) sector. I am not a "big wig" as you put it and usually only associate with them for work, but sometimes for drinks (haha, which in Japan is also work). I am a guy who loves cars and culture. I love to immerse myself into it and learn about it. I was never the typical gaijin and always respectful. I'm not just trying to make a buck off of it..don't insult me like that. That was about as gaijin as you could get right there bud. It's obvious to me you have much to learn about Japanese culture PERIOD. Living in Japan does not make one all knowing and it certainly doesn't make you more legitimate.

I'd sure like to see these shows turning away cars like that. I am friends with people who have VIP cars that don't go to shows at all...and their cars look like they should be on a cover...they built it because it suits their lifestyle, their society, they enjoy life to the fullest. That is the part of VIP which is authentic and true to the bone. Not what some big headed guys think their VIP show should be. That's called "the man" syndrome.

To Dominik, no worries man. I enjoy busting chops. Don't take it personal..and yes about the lingo...I comprehend better than I speak, although my wife is fluent.
EDIT..oh yah, the names Mike.

[NG C-Klasse]

There you go your NEW ADVENTURE.............. start filming VIP events and stick with your drift side of the house in case you cant make $$$ off the VIP guys.

Just beacuse i met Dave doesnt mean I LIKED DRIFTING to see who you are. BUT hey at least you stand out as you say......... and bust chops then and invite everyone to the BBQ

Huh? Dude, now you're just going off on a tangent. I also don't have a clue what you were really trying to say? Why are you so angry at life?

[NG C-Klasse]

That had a nice ring to it............ where have i heard that before :angel:

On your inspirational tapes most likely? I don't know what that meant, explain it to the rest of us on "the other side".

[NG C-Klasse]

Im not angry I think this is funny you just made my day :smitten:

http://www.office365.co.uk/im/pim/378304.jpg

[actolex]

NG C-Klasse & Actolex you guys are into making a buck which is OK just dont mess with folks heads on the NICE VIPcar they have when its NOT even a VIPcar.




....make a buck.... if I'm out to make a living selling just JP kits, I might as well go home now and shut the doors. I have a regular 70 hour week job doing systems integration, so the few dollars that I do make selling parts can pay for my cup of coffee in the morning at Starbucks.... :2funny: ..... Oh yeah, I forgot I don't even own a VIP car...... ;D

[swifty949]

Im not angry I think this is funny you just made my day :smitten:


You know your remarks seem pretty immature and petty. Your the one that seems to be on the attack here, and mike has no obligation to explain himself with someone that can't comprehend common respect.

[Dominik]

Now there is 2 sides to the coin.* There are those that ARE VIP and those that are enthusiests of the culture.* In most cases it isn't easy to tell them apart, but the enthusiests care more about the car aspect.


I just re-read this part and realised that we are arguing two separate things. On the one hand you have the actual VIPs that Mike is hanging out with, the true ballers that live the high life and roll in pimping cars (and those that eat fugu, kujira and baniku like others eat macdonalds). These are the Yakuza look-alikes with flashy suits, sharp or elvis-style haircuts and fat wallets

On the other hand you have the enthusiasts of the style, like the ones Robert describes and the ones you see in the magazines posing in shorts and t-shirts, and generally nowhere near as rich as the ballers.

Looking at the cars owned by both groups (i'm going by what i see in the mags right now, feel free to correct me) you are right that you couldnt pick the owner by looking at the car.

If i am correct so far then i respect both groups. When i lived there i had friends that only rocked armani suits and rolex watches and who always had alot of money (yet no explanation how they got it ;-)). They were 17 at the time, and if they are still alive they would be your real vips, the ones who are missing their pinky fingers and have full body tattoos

Thats very cool, and i love that side of japan, but I prefer the image of vip enthusiasts that Robert describes... The construction workers, students, whatever, that are just in it for the cars. That is also where probably 99% of the members of this forum come into it.

We love the cars and we love the image that they portray, but we are not gangsters and we are not rich. So we do our best with what we have.

[NG C-Klasse]

Dominik, for the most part you're kind of getting an understanding of part of a large thing...and that's good. But both parts are a part of the culture in their own respect. It's NOT black and white however. There are many people who fall in between those two catagories as well. I'm glad to hear you recognize both and respect both and are not one sided like some members on this forum. To truely appreciate something you have to understand it in its' entirety...not just the ones that suit you.

[zion_97]

You know your remarks seem pretty immature and petty. Your the one that seems to be on the attack here, and mike has no obligation to explain himself with someone that can't comprehend common respect.
I went back and read alot of Mikes posts. He came off very strong and with posts like that I could see
how one could get on the deffensive side. I believe thats why he has to explain himself and did explain..Robert is a cool cat
and All ways has good to say. To say that he is immature and petty I think that that was uncalled for and another
comment that would put one on the deffensive side. I think after revewing this post you will agree that Robert was
trying to stick up for alot of us guys who are on the VIPStyleCars forum. So once agian to say that Robert is on the attack
I dont agree with this comment..

Mike , to be honest it sounds like you do know what you are talking about and have a strong opinion as well. Heck it even
souds like you have alot to offer the forum, but the way you went about it was harsh. I think that there alot of other users
on this forum that agree totally with you but they argued their points alot more proffessional , not all but most.

Thats my two cents..Peace Out Vatos

[NG C-Klasse]

Mike , to be honest it sounds like you do know what you are talking about and have a strong opinion as well. Heck it even
souds like you have alot to offer the forum, but the way you went about it was harsh. I think that there alot of other users
on this forum that agree totally with you but they argued their points alot more proffessional , not all but most.

Thats my two cents..Peace Out Vatos

Well, to help you understand...what caused me to get a bit rattled was this:
YOU come on here with a BENZ and try to teach them whats up......... going from NO POSTS to all most 70 in 1 week.
Before this my responses were quite normal..this was uncalled for and lead to what came after it. I mean WTF does a post count have to do with knowledge? You think this is the only forum on the internet or something? And his autoracism is super gay...give me a break. Like this pathetic crap:
Like I said before BENZ cars are NOT VIP have some style yes. Those Benz drivers dont EVEN fit in w/ the VIPcar/style guys over here.

True VIPstyle cars start off with a TRUE VIPcar.
But somehow you'll rationize it and back him up...even though that's just him forcing his opinion on everyone. Yeah Roboito!!!

[zion_97]

Even before this word battle I saw your posts and thought this dude is ruff.
YOu have a fast tonque. But uugghh dont get get all hard with me homeboy you dont even know me I
was just commenting on the realism of this post and how it exploded...
Dont get your chonies all bunched up!

[Dominik]

autoracism
Yay, i just learnt a new word!

FWIW, when Robert makes posts about what cars are vip and what cars are not, i assume he is speaking from what he sees going on in his part of the world. Thats how i took his comment.

The way i understood it, the VIP movement came as a declaration of pride in Japanese cars; a way of saying "our luxury cars are just as good as the benzos and beemers from germany." hence why most of the early vip mods were blatant rips off AMG and Brabus and the like (it still happens), and they modded their Japanese cars the same way that a merc driver would mod his car. But they did it to Cima's, Crowns, Q45s and Presidents

From that you can get the idea that the traditional vipcar as they saw it, was a Japanese luxury car. Mercs are gaisha (there goes that word again, i am not saying they are an upperclass hostess!!), but they are all koukyuusha (luxury cars)

BUT, if you go on the theme that vip is a lifestyle, then it doesnt matter what car you drive; you are going to pick the biggest and baddest car out there and thats just part of being a baller.

But if thats the case, how do you differentiate between a vip car and a US built BMW750 on 22" chromies? Only by looking at the owner?

[NG C-Klasse]

Even before this word battle I saw your posts and thought this dude is ruff.
YOu have a fast tonque. But uugghh dont get get all hard with me homeboy you dont even know me I
was just commenting on the realism of this post and how it exploded...
Dont get your chonies all bunched up!

I rest assure you they are un-bunched. I am blunt. That's just me, I don't candy coat..I don't mislead. This is typical..I hear it everywhere I go, but my wife, family, and close firends appreciate the fact that I tell them the strait truth. I appologize if it comes across that way..but it's just how I am. Those that know me understand that I am passionate about what I do and that I'm actually a nice guy.

[NG C-Klasse]

Yay, i just learnt a new word!

FWIW, when Robert makes posts about what cars are vip and what cars are not, i assume he is speaking from what he sees going on in his part of the world. Thats how i took his comment.

The way i understood it, the VIP movement came as a declaration of pride in Japanese cars; a way of saying "our luxury cars are just as good as the benzos and beemers from germany." hence why most of the early vip mods were blatant rips off AMG and Brabus and the like (it still happens), and they modded their Japanese cars the same way that a merc driver would mod his car. But they did it to Cima's, Crowns, Q45s and Presidents

From that you can get the idea that the traditional vipcar as they saw it, was a Japanese luxury car. Mercs are gaisha (there goes that word again, i am not saying they are an upperclass hostess!!), but they are all koukyuusha (luxury cars)

BUT, if you go on the theme that vip is a lifestyle, then it doesnt matter what car you drive; you are going to pick the biggest and baddest car out there and thats just part of being a baller.

But if thats the case, how do you differentiate between a vip car and a US built BMW750 on 22" chromies? Only by looking at the owner?

Haha, i didn't really know what to call it and have it mean what I wanted to express.

As far as what you've understood, it's only partially true and happended before the owners ever got their hands on the cars. The cars themselves were manufactured after European cars...some near mirror images. There is no denying that the Mercedes is not a Japanese car, but that's where it stops. The S class has always been a saught after car and is the reaosn many VIP tuning companies offer aero and parts for the S class. Yes, I know I have a C class...but that's irrelevant. I go, like you said, on VIP being a lifestyle. in it's truest form that's what it is. (I'm just not ballin' that big at the moment but I enjoy my other car as well) The BMW thing I'm going to ignore since to me it doesn't make sense...22's on a 7 series look like 20's on an LS...so it's not far fetched when the wheel wells are freaking huge. A 7 series BMW could be made to look EXE/EXC very easilly, but it would take some work to make it VIP since there isn't a real market for it VIP wise.

[zion_97]

Yay, i just learnt a new word!

FWIW, when Robert makes posts about what cars are vip and what cars are not, i assume he is speaking from what he sees going on in his part of the world. Thats how i took his comment.

The way i understood it, the VIP movement came as a declaration of pride in Japanese cars; a way of saying "our luxury cars are just as good as the benzos and beemers from germany." hence why most of the early vip mods were blatant rips off AMG and Brabus and the like (it still happens), and they modded their Japanese cars the same way that a merc driver would mod his car. But they did it to Cima's, Crowns, Q45s and Presidents

From that you can get the idea that the traditional vipcar as they saw it, was a Japanese luxury car. Mercs are gaisha (there goes that word again, i am not saying they are an upperclass hostess!!), but they are all koukyuusha (luxury cars)

BUT, if you go on the theme that vip is a lifestyle, then it doesnt matter what car you drive; you are going to pick the biggest and baddest car out there and thats just part of being a baller.

But if thats the case, how do you differentiate between a vip car and a US built BMW750 on 22" chromies? Only by looking at the owner?



Thats just it you don't. It does not really matter if boboso from the bronx thinks his pimped out gremlin is VIP or DUBBED Or BALLER thats
his choice *not yours even though you might have a true VIP ride and live the True VIP life style. Don't rob that from him, you dont have to agree but
try to take take away someones pride. You will have more class that way. I think that the real and true VIP *persons yeah you know who you are would agree with that.
Be proud of who you are and dont bring another down to bring yourself up..IF your real your real if your not your not but this is a website
about sharing information, getting hooked up with someone, *learning a thing or two from *senior users like Robert and *now Mike. People like them can teach us, but stop the
I know more than you and lets get back to the real thing lets see some more VIP *photos..LOL :smitten:

[jdmpalace]

Well, to help you understand...what caused me to get a bit rattled was this:Before this my responses were quite normal..this was uncalled for and lead to what came after it.* I mean WTF does a post count have to do with knowledge?* You think this is the only forum on the internet or something?* And his autoracism is super gay...give me a break.* Like this pathetic crap:But somehow you'll rationize it and back him up...even though that's just him forcing his opinion on everyone.* Yeah Roboito!!!


Dude, he is not forcing anyone, that is the fact, You want it on paper then lets open a VIP magazine and lets count the Euro cars we see in it (shoot how about we even count what they call in US VIP cars Ferrari and Lambos *:2funny:)
I don't think post count have to do with anything, but joining this group of people who have been on this forum long enough to know each other counts. I don't know my post count but it should be less than 100 but I have been around this forum since early 04 and most of people know me here, I don't like to post that much since I think forums are made for question and answers but like everything else in US they got out of hands. I don't know you and you don't know me so don't get on my back but I still don't think MBs are VIP car and the last MB which could act like one was W140 body and by the way you could see one I think in 1995 or 96 VIP magazines *:P

[jdmpalace]

Damn, I have 90 posts in 2 years ;D :D

[Dominik]

The S class has always been a saught after car and is the reaosn many VIP tuning companies offer aero and parts for the S class

I dont doubt that S-classes are sought after, because they are a nice car. But in the secondhand market you can pick up an S class for around the same price as a similar year Celsior or President. Yet they are a rare sight in the vip mags (i have bought both vip car and vipstyle for the last yr and a half). I also didnt see many on the road while i was there earlier this year... Aftermarket is also very thin for the euro's with virtually no suspension components available over there. Of course it is pretty easy to find suspension and other parts for them from Europe, but if it was a popular vip car you would have more than just the odd kit here and there available in Japan right?


The BMW thing I'm going to ignore since to me it doesn't make sense...22's on a 7 series look like 20's on an LS...so it's not far fetched when the wheel wells are freaking huge. A 7 series BMW could be made to look EXE/EXC very easilly, but it would take some work to make it VIP since there isn't a real market for it VIP wise.
OK, bad example. What about a H2 Hummer on 28"s? Owner must be balling and vip to afford that right? Does that make it a vip car?

[Gao Jian]

so I was going to post this yesterday at work but I got hit with something to do and couldn't find the time. NG C-Klasse: I think a lot of us are actually glad that you are filling in more of the ?'s about what the real VIP style is for some (I always wonder what these guys do) because they can't all be yakuzza right! But we do have to take into account that this is VIPStylecars.com and here it is all about the cars, that is what we all share in common so even if people don't have the rich lifestyle (hey I'm a 21 yearold college kid with a dream) we can still work our asses off to build a ride worthy of caling vipstyled. Not a factory car that is VIP to start im talking the full deal, kit (if you like them), stance, wheels, drop, the list goes on. Its nice to see what is going on in Japan but we need to make this scene our own.

Jake

[actolex]

Cant surprise us now we all know whats going on the VIPcar..........

WOW JP UCF10 and 20* PiMpS



I don't think it's a full kit....

[swifty949]

Okay I see a lot of posts where people want to bust out a VIP magazine to use as thier bible. Now, being in the PR business and previously being in the Japanese aftermarket business I have an understanding of how media work. Don't use a magazine to back arguments. There are several factors that are involved into what cars are featured in magazines and one of those factors is assosciation with your readers. It could be that many of the people that buy these magazines can't afford the European cars, so they like to see Japanese cars in the magazine. Japanese cars are far more readily upgradeable in Japan compared to the European tuning scene there.

Constructive arguments are great, but when using references you have to use facts, not a journalist's opinions (opinions can be shown in photo selections, editorial, and features.)

[jdmpalace]

Okay I see a lot of posts where people want to bust out a VIP magazine to use as thier bible. Now, being in the PR business and previously being in the Japanese aftermarket business I have an understanding of how media work. Don't use a magazine to back arguments. There are several factors that are involved into what cars are featured in magazines and one of those factors is assosciation with your readers. It could be that many of the people that buy these magazines can't afford the European cars, so they like to see Japanese cars in the magazine. Japanese cars are far more readily upgradeable in Japan compared to the European tuning scene there.

Constructive arguments are great, but when using references you have to use facts, not a journalist's opinions (opinions can be shown in photo selections, editorial, and features.)




First there is no argument it is just stating the facts. And just following the rules and yes there are rule in every style. There may not be an actual rule book but I think media is the only rule book we could have. I sure don’t have the resources for accessing Mr. XXX and ask him what I should do or not, and I am sure not going to listen and follow someone's writing here on the net, a person I don't even know or have any idea their situation in life.
The word VIP is being used in different places for different styles. So for our case here, are we trying to compare "Japanese VIP style" with US or it is the other way around??? As far as I know, most of us on this forum are following the Japanese style and definitely it is not something new, maybe it is to US but that style has been established for over 16 years, and the only source I would think we can look back into ARE the media. It has always been like that since the first day they made the picture. If you don't want to look at magazine do you have any better solution??? All I can think of are Magazines, pictures, and some VIP videos which are mostly made by the car clubs down there to show off their cars but I would still count the videos as good backup regarding following a style and what need to be done and what is consider as that style since they created it in the first place.

[swifty949]

Well you do ask a good question, how do you find out how to do VIP style without the media telling you how to do so? There is no book on how to do it and there should never be a book on how to do it exactly. VIP, just like other custom trends, boil down to interpetation. Interpetation can evolve due to cultural influences, geographical influences and availability of parts. So it boils down to use the influences that are shown in the media, and make your own interpertation of it for your own vehicle. Personally I don't like to label any of my projects, it's just redundent. For me, it is, what it is.

[One Ton VIP]

Or maybe this is all a battle to see who is more Japanese.. without actually having to be Japanese!
Round One.... FIGHT!

back in the late 80s-early 90s there was a term called Japanese Fetishism. not necessarily has to do with anything sexual, but it could include it (heck, how many non-jappers here want a japper-or something close-girl? i see i see)... but it's more about being so engrossed in the japanese culture to the point of fetishism.
Round Two.... FIGHT!

[VIPete]

Or maybe this is all a battle to see who is more Japanese.. without actually having to be Japanese!
Round One.... FIGHT!

back in the late 80s-early 90s there was a term called Japanese Fetishism. not necessarily has to do with anything sexual, but it could include it (heck, how many non-jappers here want a japper-or something close-girl? i see i see)... but it's more about being so engrossed in the japanese culture to the point of fetishism.
Round Two.... FIGHT!


I wonder if this should be a no disqualification, no countout, no time limit... hell in the cell street fight. Who wants to ref?

[NG C-Klasse]

I don't think it's a full kit....

Both are full kits with JP fogs too...although I don't include the wing as "full kit", but Dan does have the wing too.

[NG C-Klasse]

See, now this is better, it now a discussion, but including everyones input. That's all I was really trying to do..just open more eyes and to help people understand the culture as a whole and how different it is to the US. Ray makes a lot of good points about the media and interpretation. The way I build cars is as an extension of myself. They should replicate the owner..not some car in a magazine. That's why I usually do a lot of custom work and fabrication on my projects to make them emulate my style.

Hahahaha, One Ton..I'll get into that when I get to work.

[One Ton VIP]

I wonder if this should be a no disqualification, no countout, no time limit... hell in the cell street fight. Who wants to ref?


How bout we make it a panties and bras match....
JDM panties and JDM bras, of course

[swifty949]

back in the late 80s-early 90s there was a term called Japanese Fetishism. not necessarily has to do with anything sexual, but it could include it (heck, how many non-jappers here want a japper-or something close-girl? i see i see)... but it's more about being so engrossed in the japanese culture to the point of fetishism.



"I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so..."

There were a ton of Japanese influence in movies & videos in the 80s. There were also dumb americans who thought they were cool by wearing chinese character shirts that read Pig across the chest.

[firelizard]

How bout we make it a panties and bras match....
JDM panties and JDM bras, of course

Are there any active female members? If not...what are you getting at? I'm not real comfortable with the idea of wearing women's undergarments in a wrestling match.

Anyways:

Despite what has been said I think only "rulebook" for Vip is the Vip community. You get an Aristo and flub it, ends up CL style (not necessarily a bad thing btw) - community votes "not Vip" and you fail at Vip, just like that. Or. You get a Civic, and do it just right - community votes "pretty damn close to Vip for a Civic" and you win, you have Vip style.
Final judgement on Vip styling (note I said styling, not platforms) should depend on the people who see the car, not a general rulebook.

[VIPete]

There were also dumb americans who thought they were cool by wearing chinese character shirts that read Pig across the chest.


HAHA I remember that.

[Gao Jian]

HAHA I remember that.


this goes both ways guys don't forget that.
oh and I would much rather just have pig on my shirt that some of this crap... its just bad

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g243/raise_you/imcock.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g243/raise_you/masteurbate-shirt.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g243/raise_you/champion-cock.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g243/raise_you/i-love-ny-ca.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g243/raise_you/on-the-verge.jpg

[Brandicus]

Or maybe this is all a battle to see who is more Japanese.. without actually having to be Japanese!
Round One.... FIGHT!

back in the late 80s-early 90s there was a term called Japanese Fetishism. not necessarily has to do with anything sexual, but it could include it (heck, how many non-jappers here want a japper-or something close-girl? i see i see)... but it's more about being so engrossed in the japanese culture to the point of fetishism.
Round Two.... FIGHT!


lol, im a white guy with a white gf, i just really like the look of fixed up cars and I like the japo vip style more than the dub style :o

my 2 cents

[VIPete]

lol, im a white guy with a white gf, i just really like the look of fixed up cars and I like the japo vip style more than the dub style* :o

my 2 cents


You can be ref!

[Gao Jian]

I love the VIP style of modding and I would mind an asain girl, but im not to picky when it comes to hotties I don't sort by location on that stuff ;D

[UpTownGS]

In the spirit of tuning does it really have to be "US" and "THEM"

at the end of the day we all have aspirations of building a nice car that we can call our own w/ our own elements and styling cues that we find admirable. If Scions and 240's are using their platforms to try and emulate a VIP theme then so be it, whats it hurt?

If you're afraid of the true essence of VIP being tainted then its probably a lost cause for you anyways. The true definition will always be out there whether it be mirrored copied and or modified. There WILL be variations and there WILL be some serious f*ck ups, but at the end of the day I think w/ the added exposure will come many good things for this aftermarket industry and I personally would like to see what these other car makes come up with.

If NYWizard wants to call himself VIP then so be it, thats his take on it and who are we all to tell him otherwise. The guy has fun working on his car and I'm sure everyone else does also. Some tell me my car is VIP, I dont necessarily agree, however I do troll around these forums and do like many VIP styling cues, but this is all opinions. At the end of the day its just a car. I'm sure whatever we call them, at the end of the day we can all sit back and respect eachother for what we've been able to build (in most cases anyways).

oh and PS.... a builder is one that actually builds his own car, not shop bought.

Arrogance is bliss, respect is admired

[UpTownGS]

Well you do ask a good question, how do you find out how to do VIP style without the media telling you how to do so? There is no book on how to do it and there should never be a book on how to do it exactly. VIP, just like other custom trends, boil down to interpetation. Interpetation can evolve due to cultural influences, geographical influences and availability of parts. So it boils down to use the influences that are shown in the media, and make your own interpertation of it for your own vehicle. Personally I don't like to label any of my projects, it's just redundent. For me, it is, what it is.


best quote of the year!

[NG C-Klasse]

AND so what are these guys to use............. the VIP mags are the best for them in Japan and USA. Alot of folks drive Euro cars here most dont get them to Mod them. In life you be surprised what folks cant afford but they have it or that.

I seen some of your posts I bet your another one of the guys that come here and wanting to made a VIPstyle car out of a Non-VIPcar............. LOTS of you around check this out I have a Fusa on my S-14 im VIP :uglystupid2:

I have more respect for the ones who learn on here and then go get the right car for this style.

IS USA screwed up NO........... ALOT of guys build cars real nice VIPstyle even before there was forums to share this info. LETS SEE what did they go by............ OH YES A VIP magazine

Its NOT that they cant afford a European car they just dont want one thats why they stick to VIPcar.

Dude..shut up. Don't make things worse than they already are. You're not making anyone respect you any more you know. Hahaha...man.

[NG C-Klasse]

They had already told me what was planned but if they wanted to keep it a secret there went that.

LQQK I got these guys this and this and this............ That should come out on the person who bought it if he wants the whole world to know he will post it up. If he wants to do a teaser thread then cool.

Dan a nice guy most likely he doesnt mind BUT alot of folks like to keep stuff under cover till the car is done or almost done. You can see that in the write up the person is excited and happy.

Now its like........... You all know what I have its on the car now look.

Hahaha, again...why are you talking? There's already a thread. Dennis posted his a while back?? It's my crew, so don't let it make you lose sleep.

[NG C-Klasse]

oh and PS.... a builder is one that actually builds his own car, not shop bought.

Arrogance is bliss, respect is admired

AMEN!

[UpTownGS]

I rest assure you they are un-bunched. I am blunt. That's just me, I don't candy coat..I don't mislead. This is typical..I hear it everywhere I go, but my wife, family, and close firends appreciate the fact that I tell them the strait truth. I appologize if it comes across that way..but it's just how I am. Those that know me understand that I am passionate about what I do and that I'm actually a nice guy.
hmmm just started reading the entire thread... i like this guy!

quick Q for everyone..... which modded cars ORIGINALY back in the day had the earliest current VIP styling cues we see today? Fun lil tidbit you can all pick on.

[NG C-Klasse]

Im not talking about Dennis and ITS YOUR CREW NOW you are the man........... they been here and showing off VIP on this forum and the other one and its now your CREW.

You really have NO idea do you? How much of you car have you actaully built?? I already know, but I want everyone to hear it for themselves.
I have had Night Garage for over 6 years now. It has been a passion for me and is a respected and elite group of friends and members who actaully do the blunt of their own work, or we help each other out. I've been building complete cars since far before that. What makes you so special..please explain it to me....I'm dying to hear all about it.

[UpTownGS]

AND so what are these guys to use............. the VIP mags are the best for them in Japan and USA. Alot of folks drive Euro cars here most dont get them to Mod them. In life you be surprised what folks cant afford but they have it or that. Use your own innovation and vision to build what you think a car should be built. This is why I specifically TRY not to build my car like how most view VIP cars should be built.... b/c I dont want to follow a cookie cutter mold. Mags are great... but true ingenuity and passion lies in the builders vision and execution.

That my friend is the true essense of VIP (in my opinion).... its discipline!


I seen some of your posts I bet your another one of the guys that come here and wanting to made a VIPstyle car out of a Non-VIPcar............. LOTS of you around check this out I have a Fusa on my S-14 im VIP :uglystupid2: I see nothing wrong w/ more platforms to work on. What's the mold for a true VIP car? Rear wheel drive big body sedan? many fall into that category. But if by determining whats VIP is using specific japanese makes then so be it... i'm not gonna complain, although I think many will find it interesting to learn some cool styling from the past.



I have more respect for the ones who learn on here and then go get the right car for this style. respect should be given throughout. VIp elements are taken from German cars, tuner cars, DUB cars everyday..... no one needs to learn how to be VIP.... they just need to do it on their own.



IS USA screwed up NO........... ALOT of guys build cars real nice VIPstyle even before there was forums to share this info. LETS SEE what did they go by............ OH YES A VIP magazine no comment. quoted just to be quoted.



Its NOT that they cant afford a European car they just dont want one thats why they stick to VIPcar.
This i agree with to a certain extent but at the of the day just buy a damn car and do what you want with it. Just do what you want...



now w/ all said and done..... I really have no say and I just wished you all could just sit back and respect one another. This is very childish.

[clearstar society]

Arrogance is bliss, respect is admired


Couldn't have said that any better :coolsmiley:

[NG C-Klasse]

im like you I went from drifting to VIP and I know all about VIP now :2funny:

That's the best copout you can make? Way to avoid the question. I didn't go from drift to VIP..I still am involved in drifting..just as I was inloved with VIP before. People told me I should come on these boards..and I see why I hadn't before. I build cars. I enjoy it. I help my friends build their cars and do what i can to use my resources to help them. I ask for nothing in return but their friendship..ask them for yourself. i agree, this is kind of childish. I appologize if my responses came off that way, but really..who attacked who?

[jstyle]

respect should be given throughout. VIp elements are taken from German cars, tuner cars, DUB cars everyday..... no one needs to learn how to be VIP.... they just need to do it on their own.



I thought this forum was here so we could learn about VIPCars/Style ....If the above statement is true....
I guess is safe to say we dont need this site anymore. *::)

[UpTownGS]

I thought this forum was here so we could learn about VIPCars/Style ....If the above statement is true....
I guess is safe to say we dont need this site anymore. ::)

don't take my quote as black and white. Thats certainly not what I was trying to portray. What I'm saying is lets just not all do the cookie cutter mold thing.

[Dominik]

How much of you car have you actaully built??

I dont 'build' my cars, I do the things i am capable of doing, and i get tyre shops, spray painters and engine tuning places to do the rest. So what if he put his car in the workshop to fit his wheels, or his kit. He chose the wheels, he chose the kit. Not everyone has the time, skill or patience to build their car from the ground up. And going on the real 'vip' culture you mentioned, i am sure they wouldnt get their hands dirty on fixing up their cars - they would just put it in a workshop and throw wads of money at them!

[NG C-Klasse]

I dont 'build' my cars, I do the things i am capable of doing, and i get tyre shops, spray painters and engine tuning places to do the rest. So what if he put his car in the workshop to fit his wheels, or his kit. He chose the wheels, he chose the kit. Not everyone has the time, skill or patience to build their car from the ground up. And going on the real 'vip' culture you mentioned, i am sure they wouldnt get their hands dirty on fixing up their cars - they would just put it in a workshop and throw wads of money at them!

Not always the case, but I do understand what you're saying and their is some truth to it. Many people still enjoy the actual building of the car though...regardless of the $$$. You'd be surprised, but yes there is some who do as you speak. That comment wasn't focused towards you or others. I was just making a point that needed to be made in my opinion. I'm allowed my opinion as are you.

[UpTownGS]

I was the one who mentioned "building a car" actually meant building the car. It was not directed towards you but in reflection to a comment that was made earlier about the awe inspiring essense of building a true VIP car.

I apologize if you took offense to that. I admit I sometimes have shops do the grunt work also. Sometimes its just not worth it to do yourself.... i understand that and am guilty of not having the time or resources to be able to do the job right.

so..... do rock chips make me VIP? :-\

[Pagong]

This debate has alot of good points. :)

Let's keep going.

We are now seeing different sides of the VIP we all love. From styling a car to the actual lifestyle.
But from what I read, looks like I fall in the category of enthusiast, as I dont live a VIP lifestyle nor do I dress like one :buck2:but I do love the style of cars.

[Gao Jian]

But from what I read, looks like I fall in the category of enthusiast, as I dont live a VIP lifestyle nor do I dress like one :buck2:but I do love the style of cars.


I think this is something that we need to address because the debate seems to have split into a few factions, the overall style of true VIP (the whole lifestyle), the media influence, the vip clubs, the cars in general and the building of the cars. In the end there is no way to really compare the US to Japan for most of these things. We don't live in Japan and most of us are not Japanese which makes comparing the two a very hard feat because we are sooooooo culturally different. Sure we have VIP's in America and there are plenty of people with money, we have mobsters who kick as much or more ass than the yakuzza (shit how many movies are made about this), we have car clubs/ shows/ mags and we mod so many forms of cars that its not even silly. We do however like the way that the Japanese modify there cars with a VIP style hence us being on this board but what good can come out of this debate. I always like to hear what other people have to say but can we please stop playing the I got in this scene first game or I know so and so do you? This is not a competition for who has the biggest dick so if we are going to debate lets bring specifics to the table and talk.


Jake

[NG C-Klasse]

Round 3


Like i said BEFORE I only was trying to tell him to be easy on these guys............. BUT since i HURT his feeling about a Benz NOT being VIPcar and he had just got it things got out of hand. Can it have VIP style to it sure BUT NOT a VIPcar thats what I see on a regular basis. Did that HURT his feeling YES so WHAT someone has to tell him whats up if thats me then so be it.

Its NOT who has the bigger dick who comes on here trying to be I KNOW VIP and thats how I took it with his posts......... Form His posts and from his intoduction im like oh here we go again.
Has this happen before sure will it happen again yes. The Hawaii guys w/ Y33 and F50 are the ones who i see even trying and got far w/ thier cars. They all come on here and showed us how its done............. You all talk about respect I respect someone who shows and shares Idea NOT someone who just shows up and talks smack. Sorry NO respect and I dont care if i lost respect here too from some of you. Most likely we were NOT friends anyways and you dont have a VIPcar cause I know alot of you I have said the same thing in the past your cars NOT VIP but hey looks good w/ VIPstyle / Flavor

So you had the crew for many yrs thats cool............. lately some of that crew been into or getting into VIP thats GREAT I want to see more in a VIPcar and if your helping them GOOD thats what folks need help.

I lurk most of the time on the other forum most of the Hawaii guys are on I actually like it there.......... Only a few VIPcar / guys which is okay at least the others are learning from them. Just like CL VIP was taboo a few yrs ago now its alot better.

The reason other sections Boxes, Vans, and K-cars - Euros and Other Sedans are here NOW cause NOT everyone wants a true VIPcar. Do those members cars look nice Style or working on it sure.

The truth hurts some folks on here oh well............ Alot of folks on here know thier s*** at least its in ONE sock they have made this forum what it is TODAY!!

I'm not hurt, you're just bull headed and self absorbed...it's amazing. Do you really think that you're the end all of what is VIP and what isn't..are you that bold and arrogant? What does me having just bought my Mercedes have to do with anything?? People buy cars you know. They don't just appear in your driveway all true VIP Platform approved and "I am the man" styled. It's also funny about the guys you mentioned out here...haha. Ask Spam (JP F50 Q45) how Will (A32 Cefiro) got his start into VIP and understanding how it should be done. You know what. Forget it...you're never going to understand. So its pointless for me to continue with someone of your demeanor who just doesn't understand...why because you have "the man" syndrome. So please, for the sake of the rest of the forum...shut it.

[NG C-Klasse]

Okay no more rounds..............http://vipstylecars.com/forum/index.php?topic=1432.0 :police:

Was that an attempt at a patheticly failed cheap shot? Or was that a personal expression? If so, I understand completely big guy.

[redhalo]

So, knowing that my scion isn't a VIP platform, and knowing that I'm not shooting for 20" deep dish wheels but I am going for as much luxury as my pocket can afford, one might say Lexus Inspired...what classification would my xB fall in?

I've seen many non VIP platform cars that certainly fit the VIP image quite well and many that claim it but just don't seem right. Going back to the original thread title, perhaps USA VIP isn't [Japanese] VIP in both style and mentality (art imatating life imatating art?), but is there a catagory for those who just want a nice ride without preconcieved restraints?

[zion_97]

So, knowing that my scion isn't a VIP platform, and knowing that I'm not shooting for 20" deep dish wheels but I am going for as much luxury as my pocket can afford, one might say Lexus Inspired...what classification would my xB fall in?

I've seen many non VIP platform cars that certainly fit the VIP image quite well and many that claim it but just don't seem right. Going back to the original thread title, perhaps USA VIP isn't [Japanese] VIP in both style and mentality (art imatating life imatating art?), but is there a catagory for those who just want a nice ride without preconcieved restraints?


VIP inspired or VIP styled.............................

[NG C-Klasse]

I would agree with VIP inspired.

[redhalo]

VIP inspired or VIP styled.............................

Really? Cause I'm keeping to the 15" wheels, I think the xB's look good with small wheels and some meat on the tire. It's what works with them in my opinion. I just don't want to come off as a poser or anything.

[zion_97]

Really? Cause I'm keeping to the 15" wheels, I think the xB's look good with small wheels and some meat on the tire. It's what works with them in my opinion. I just don't want to come off as a poser or anything.
Well it seemed from your write up that you were shooting for a VIP style or look somewhat EXE if you will...But with 15's I dunno if that would work
with VIP inspired or Styled......I think the best word to descibe your style or car would be "Custom Scion" this would not give you a stereo type or label....hope that helps.
Zion_97

[redhalo]

Well it seemed from your write up that you were shooting for a VIP style or look somewhat EXE if you will...But with 15's I dunno if that would work
with VIP inspired or Styled......I think the best word to descibe your style or car would be "Custom Scion" this would not give you a stereo type or label....hope that helps.
Zion_97

Yeah, I suppose, thanks. This is all so grey area to me. I've known of Scions with 15" Work wheels claim VIP and no one fights them on it.

[NG C-Klasse]

Yeah, I suppose, thanks. This is all so grey area to me. I've known of Scions with 15" Work wheels claim VIP and no one fights them on it.

That's why I stated inspired..meaning your basic inspiration came from seeing actual VIP cars...and you appreciated the style.

[Gao Jian]

That's why I stated inspired..meaning your basic inspiration came from seeing actual VIP cars...and you appreciated the style.


right on Mike

[redhalo]

That's why I stated inspired..meaning your basic inspiration came from seeing actual VIP cars...and you appreciated the style.
Oh yeah I appreciate the style, wish I had the cash for it, lol.

[jdmpalace]

Yeah, I suppose, thanks. This is all so grey area to me. I've known of Scions with 15" Work wheels claim VIP and no one fights them on it.


Dude,
The way these guys are talking about any car can be VIP* :'( :'(
You got the right car (way better option than some of the guys here :buck2:) It is the car that will go pretty well with the style, just make sure you are spending your money right in first time, and you should be good, and do reserach for your every move there are enough resouces all over the net, PM me if you got any question or need any help with your car and there are also couple of other guys who have been here for couple of years now and should be help you out even both sold their boxes* :knuppel2:

[NG C-Klasse]

Some guy once said:
There is NOT a WRONG way or RIGHT way of doing it VIPstyle just hook it up the way you like it. Some like the way I have fixed up mine and some DONT but its MY STYLE.
Irony.

[jdmpalace]

Some guy once said:
There is NOT a WRONG way or RIGHT way of doing it VIPstyle just hook it up the way you like it. Some like the way I have fixed up mine and some DONT but its MY STYLE.
Irony.*


I don't know but that just doesn't make any sense to me, becasue MY STYLE is different than VIP STYLE and there is always a right and wrong !!
I'll love to put some 26s on my GS and lift the car up so I can drive it and that is mystyle and just cause it is a GS (as some of you say 4 door, rear wheel drive cars are VIP) I can call it VIP STYLE , ........................WORNG :crazy2:

[redhalo]

Maybe NOT a VIPcar but you sure got the right box to fix up VIPbox / style.......... There are more magazines on the vans / boxs* then for the VIPcars.* I take it you havent been on www.scionlife.com* Alot of folks have gone the VIP route with the box. Thats why there is a section here for Vans / Boxs / Wagons. Alot of folks cant afford a VIPcar so they get the next best thing. NOW a days the top of the line VAN TOYOTA ALPHARD is NOT cheap. I dont see it as just inspired maybe back in the day but I have never seen Vans get popular after the cars. The VIPvans out number the VIPcars anyday.

Look under Vans / Boxs section alot of good info on the Box/ Scion............. Enjoy your BOX VIPstyled

I'm on Scionlife as well, same name.

becasue MY STYLE is different than VIP STYLE and there is always a right and wrong !!

Thanks thats what I'm getting at that I don't want to use the VIP name, my style is more of a sports luxury perhaps, well, a sports luxury in the works. I dunno, we'll see how it progresses. I'm not a gangster, I just like class.

For a joke check this thread http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=114926&highlight=vip
Scroll down to see who won best VIP at this local show of ours.

[NG C-Klasse]

I don't know but that just doesn't make any sense to me, becasue MY STYLE is different than VIP STYLE and there is always a right and wrong !!
I'll love to put some 26s on my GS and lift the car up so I can drive it and that is mystyle and just cause it is a GS (as some of you say 4 door, rear wheel drive cars are VIP) I can call it VIP STYLE , ........................WORNG :crazy2:

That was a joke. That "guy" was Roboito, the guy who sasy the OPPOSITE of that on many occasions. Note the word irony used below the quote.

[V8_Aristo]

That was a joke.* That "guy" was Roboito, the guy who sasy the OPPOSITE of that on many occasions.* Note the word irony used below the quote.


I think he was talking about VIP platforms only, which I can agree to a certain extent.

I actually gave up on trying to inform people (more than once) that this forum is about the Japanese VIP styling. So I can agree with the title of this thread "USA:VIP really ins't VIP".

[firelizard]

Sorry, a candy blue econobox (no offense) with lambo doors is the most Vip?
I think it's loose definitions like that that are causing all this US Vip confusion.
I would say the two black Boxes with the dishes are closer to Vip than the blue one, despite being milder.

[NG C-Klasse]

I think he was talking about VIP platforms only, which I can agree to a certain extent.

I actually gave up on trying to inform people (more than once) that this forum is about the Japanese VIP styling. So I can agree with the title of this thread "USA:VIP really ins't VIP".

I agree with you, a Ford Taurus is not VIP...or a Yugo for that matter. Yes..I kid.

[redhalo]

Sorry, a candy blue econobox (no offense) with lambo doors is the most Vip?
I think it's loose definitions like that that are causing all this US Vip confusion.
I would say the two black Boxes with the dishes are closer to Vip than the blue one, despite being milder.

Exactly.

[jdmpalace]

Sorry, a candy blue econobox (no offense) with lambo doors is the most Vip?
I think it's loose definitions like that that are causing all this US Vip confusion.
I would say the two black Boxes with the dishes are closer to Vip than the blue one, despite being milder.


That is the problem with US, as soon as peope put some VIP style rims (which could be about anything as long as the offset is right) on their cars, they call their car VIP, they don't care about the platform, but I don't think anyone called that blue car VIP, did they if they did, there is something worng with them :2funny:

[NG C-Klasse]

Listen knucklehead if your going to say my name say it RIGHT !! Wanna bee VIP !!

Your name is "Wanna bee VIP? Did I say it right?

[Dominik]

Ok. Enough with the name calling.

This is not helping anyone understand VIP better.

[NG C-Klasse]

Ok. Enough with the name calling.

This is not helping anyone understand VIP better.

I agree. My enjoyment is fulfilled..and message assimilated.

[Pagong]

:police: :knuppel2:

[actolex]

Ok. Enough with the name calling.

This is not helping anyone understand VIP better.




Which is exactly why I solicited help in gathering information on the VIP article for Vision..... ;)

[Pagong]

Which is exactly why I solicited help in gathering information on the VIP article for Vision..... ;)


Speaking of which, how did that go?

[actolex]

Speaking of which, how did that go?


It went really well.* At first, I thought that we would have to tailor the story to “legitimize” the HIN definition of VIP, but Thanh wanted me to be honest and spend time focusing on the differences between traditional VIP in Japan and VIP in the style that HIN has identified.* They are interested in bringing shows like VIP Auto Fashion to the east coast to markets like NYC and Florida and asked me to assist in the process.*

The funny thing is that here is the opportunity to educate and “fix” the US markets perception on VIP, yet the responses to my request are very minimal.* Granted, those who did supply input did provide valuable information for the story.* Those who made excuses like “you only gave us 14 hours to respond” really crack me up because this post got a dozen responses in a days time regarding what’s wrong with the VIP scene here.* Instead of taking the time to educate and help me gather material for the story that clarifies, post after post of what’s wrong with it was made.* I guess some people would rather spend endless hours complaining about it than trying to fix it.

Well, with the limited free time I have, I’m going to attempt to write the article with the information provided by a few members along with documentation I’ve collected along the way.* Now I’m just waiting for someone to say this is not a professional way to approach this or how I’m doing it because I just have monetary reasons…… ::)

[NG C-Klasse]

Now I’m just waiting for someone to say this is not a professional way to approach this or how I’m doing it because I just have monetary reasons…… ::)

Don't lie you're in it for the chicks!!!! :2funny:

[actolex]

Don't lie you're in it for the chicks!!!!* :2funny:



Chicks??? I'm 43....chicks my age have 2 kids and are divorced ;D

[Dominik]

Mark, I think that after the way people reacted in this thread (to other people's ideas), it is possible that alot of people might be hesitant to share their knowlege on your thread.

I know i had to double check my info before posting what i did, and even then I thought someone might call me out because i got my info from magazines rather than from first-hand experience of vip culture in Japan.

As you can see from reading this thread, there are people on this forum who have been into VIP for years, and living in it over there as well, yet they can have quite different views on what VIP is and what it means.

Is it all about 'living vip'? Or is it 'modifying vip cars'
If the people in-the-know can't agree, then how is the typical westerner supposed to understand it!?

[NG C-Klasse]

Mark, I think that after the way people reacted in this thread (to other people's ideas), it is possible that alot of people might be hesitant to share their knowlege on your thread.

I know i had to double check my info before posting what i did, and even then I thought someone might call me out because i got my info from magazines rather than from first-hand experience of vip culture in Japan.

As you can see from reading this thread, there are people on this forum who have been into VIP for years, and living in it over there as well, yet they can have quite different views on what VIP is and what it means.

Is it all about 'living vip'? Or is it 'modifying vip cars'
If the people in-the-know can't agree, then how is the typical westerner supposed to understand it!?

Dom, it's actually about both. I pointed this out and I also submitted info to Mark in refference to it. I could have gone into far more detail, but since it was time sensative I gave him the low down. It seems there is some on one side, some on the other and some (like me and my crew) that are somewhere in the middle. I respect both sides of the coin (as I also put it in the article) and do not think one is more right than the other. It's never just black or just white...in fact it's also never just black and white. There will always be a gray area in any culture or lifestyle where the individual dictates what they feel is right for them. I've tried to point that out on a few occasions, but some people like to stress their opinions as fact..when in FACT it's just thst they're blinded by their own opinion. I hope that makes sense.

[actolex]

Mark, I think that after the way people reacted in this thread (to other people's ideas), it is possible that alot of people might be hesitant to share their knowlege on your thread.

I know i had to double check my info before posting what i did, and even then I thought someone might call me out because i got my info from magazines rather than from first-hand experience of vip culture in Japan.

As you can see from reading this thread, there are people on this forum who have been into VIP for years, and living in it over there as well, yet they can have quite different views on what VIP is and what it means.

Is it all about 'living vip'? Or is it 'modifying vip cars'
If the people in-the-know can't agree, then how is the typical westerner supposed to understand it!?



...so what...just give it up and not write the story? Should this be put into the "too hard to do" pile ???? ???

[Dominik]

FWIW, i dont think its feasible to try and follow the 'culture' side of things because Japan is completely different to the US, Australia or anywhere else in the world for that matter. The reason they do the things they do is because of the way that they have been brought up, the world they see around them and the people they aspire to.

When I lived there, i did my best to assimilate and act/look like all the other school students. I liked their culture/beliefs etc. So i bought flashy clothes, i hung out and did nanpa in shibuya/ikebukuro with my Japanese friends. But when i came back to Australia i realised that its not possible to live that life here. For that same reason i dont think its possible to try to bring the 'vip culture' over to the US. Sure, you can dress like Japanese gangsters, you can throw money around etc, but is that really you? Or are you just trying to be like them?

Furthermore, how can you teach someone outside of Japan about that style, without them actually experiencing it firsthand?

On the other hand, its very easy to bring the car styling ideas across. Modify vip cars just like them and you have succeeded! Its already happening, as can be seen by the articles written in the magazines when they did a tour of the US. They were really impressed by the guys that came to meet them, and there were alot of comments like "This is just like what you would see in Japan"

So my opinion is that you should write the article, but perhaps just concentrate on the cars and styling cues (even though that sparked just as much debate as the culture vs. cars idea). Just post your article when you are done and we will start another 10 page debate on what needs to be changed and you will have your article. ;D

[NG C-Klasse]

FWIW, i dont think its feasible to try and follow the 'culture' side of things because Japan is completely different to the US, Australia or anywhere else in the world for that matter. The reason they do the things they do is because of the way that they have been brought up, the world they see around them and the people they aspire to.

When I lived there, i did my best to assimilate and act/look like all the other school students. I liked their culture/beliefs etc. So i bought flashy clothes, i hung out and did nanpa in shibuya/ikebukuro with my Japanese friends. But when i came back to Australia i realised that its not possible to live that life here. For that same reason i dont think its possible to try to bring the 'vip culture' over to the US. Sure, you can dress like Japanese gangsters, you can throw money around etc, but is that really you? Or are you just trying to be like them?

Furthermore, how can you teach someone outside of Japan about that style, without them actually experiencing it firsthand?

Like I said:
There will always be a gray area in any culture or lifestyle where the individual dictates what they feel is right for them.
This reigns true for people to decide what they want to do in what you stated...I don't expect everyone to understand and, in fact, I knew many people wouldn't. But trying to help bring an understanding of it all is still important...regardless if you think it should ust be about the cars. Why not try to understand the culture as a whole. That is what I wanted to be a part of the article. You're digging to far into it. I wasn't asking for everyone to believe and do as it is in Japan...just to understand it. Very simple and very respectful.

[Dominik]

In my experience, trying to explain anything to do with the Japanese culture is futile. As much as i love Japan, i know i will never fully understand it or the people. You would know this as well. Not saying anything is wrong with that, but its just a little too hard to explain to someone who has no other experience with Japan than eating Sushi at a korean-owned sushi shop!

If there is still confusion about vip car mods, how much confusion will there be when people start trying to take on the culture? Pretty-boy richkids trying to act like mini-gangsters in their vip cars? I'd rather see some dude in Jeans and a Tshirt rolling by in a fixed up Q45

[Pagong]

Now I’m just waiting for someone to say this is not a professional way to approach this


That was me :-*

And NG Cklasse pointed out that it was the reader's perception...as he saw it differently than I did.

back on topic:
I see that Japanese people like to copy western ideas, like the lowrider scene, muscle cars and now DUB style.
Do they actually live the lifestyles of such? Or do they just focus on the automotive things of particular category.

[actolex]

So my opinion is that you should write the article, but perhaps just concentrate on the cars and styling cues (even though that sparked just as much debate as the culture vs. cars idea). Just post your article when you are done and we will start another 10 page debate on what needs to be changed and you will have your article. ;D



By then, I'll be modifying my electric wheelchair..... :-[

[NG C-Klasse]

That was me :-*

And NG Cklasse pointed out that it was the reader's perception...as he saw it differently than I did.

back on topic:
I see that Japanese people like to copy western ideas, like the lowrider scene, muscle cars and now DUB style.
Do they actually live the lifestyles of such? Or do they just focus on the automotive things of particular category.

The funny thing is they DO try to live the lifestlye. Just go to Club 99 in Rappongi any night of the week and you'll see it first hand.

[Pagong]

The funny thing is they DO try to live the lifestlye.* Just go to Club 99 in Rappongi any night of the week and you'll see it first hand.


Really? wow...

They really do things to the fullest over there dont they?

I think that is what separates the true diehard from the enthusiast.

[shawnthemonster]

so thiss is the debate forum....but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. please keep this thread related to the topic.

[V8_Aristo]

Any more unrelated post and this discussion will be closed.

[One Ton VIP]

hmmm still not sure why people are so obssessed with trying to connect a certain "lifestyle" with VIP style cars. Not everyone in Japan who's into VIP cars, or has a VIP or VIP-styled car looks or acts like a gangster or hard ass. In fact, it's mostly just like us.. normal folks who like esoteric looking cars that are low and wide and make a visual impact w/o "saying" too much. They range in age from young to old, and include all genders, male and female and what-have-you. Instead of worrying so much about trying to classify the lifestyle that accompanies the niche, it's probably more worthwhile to try and just further it w/o letting the constraints of definitions and pigeon-holing stifle that development. It's sorta like how it's stupid when people try and associate the urban lifestyle with people into sport compact cars... boooooring.

[UpTownGS]

It went really well. At first, I thought that we would have to tailor the story to “legitimize” the HIN definition of VIP, but Thanh wanted me to be honest and spend time focusing on the differences between traditional VIP in Japan and VIP in the style that HIN has identified. They are interested in bringing shows like VIP Auto Fashion to the east coast to markets like NYC and Florida and asked me to assist in the process.

The funny thing is that here is the opportunity to educate and “fix” the US markets perception on VIP, yet the responses to my request are very minimal. Granted, those who did supply input did provide valuable information for the story. Those who made excuses like “you only gave us 14 hours to respond” really crack me up because this post got a dozen responses in a days time regarding what’s wrong with the VIP scene here. Instead of taking the time to educate and help me gather material for the story that clarifies, post after post of what’s wrong with it was made. I guess some people would rather spend endless hours complaining about it than trying to fix it.

Well, with the limited free time I have, I’m going to attempt to write the article with the information provided by a few members along with documentation I’ve collected along the way. Now I’m just waiting for someone to say this is not a professional way to approach this or how I’m doing it because I just have monetary reasons…… ::)





It was great meeting you Mark and definitely a great experience to pick your brain. NY was a blast! i'm still trying to recover from it all.... the city just doesn't sleep! Anyways I just want to make it clear that I do not believe there needs to be any fixing of what VIP is. Car styling changes and there is no set rule on how to style a car. There can be guidelines but those are constantly being tested and pushed.... doesn't just apply to US but also to Japanese VIP/tuner styles also. Do I want to exactly replicate the styling here to the US? honestly in my opinion.... no. What my whole end goal is for the US to really take the inspirations from the Japanese culture and apply it to our market. My vision is not really of replication but of expansion.

In all honesty I think its completely absurd to have specific platforms that can grace the styling characteristics, atleast here in the USA. Our cultures intertwine and mix many styles, I dont see why cars should be any different. So to clarify, No I do not think we need to fix anything. I do think we need to become our own western entity for what VIP is and stop limiting ourselves. Japan doesn't seem to limit themselves... Look in your VIPmags and I guarantee you will find a handful of Euro's and even US Domestics in there. Whether the hardcore groups over there consider these cars reputable builds is not of my concern, we live here and we are innovators of our own culture.

I have my opinions and I'm sure some will not agree and its a shame when people reserve their opinions because of. I think its good that we speak openly about it and just wish we could leave the childish non-sense out, I just don't see how this bickering remotely comes off as VIP. The name calling shoving match doesn't help anyone and really only hinders the advancement of the culture.




FWIW, i dont think its feasible to try and follow the 'culture' side of things because Japan is completely different to the US, Australia or anywhere else in the world for that matter. The reason they do the things they do is because of the way that they have been brought up, the world they see around them and the people they aspire to.

When I lived there, i did my best to assimilate and act/look like all the other school students. I liked their culture/beliefs etc. So i bought flashy clothes, i hung out and did nanpa in shibuya/ikebukuro with my Japanese friends. But when i came back to Australia i realised that its not possible to live that life here. For that same reason i dont think its possible to try to bring the 'vip culture' over to the US. Sure, you can dress like Japanese gangsters, you can throw money around etc, but is that really you? Or are you just trying to be like them?

Furthermore, how can you teach someone outside of Japan about that style, without them actually experiencing it firsthand?

On the other hand, its very easy to bring the car styling ideas across. Modify vip cars just like them and you have succeeded! Its already happening, as can be seen by the articles written in the magazines when they did a tour of the US. They were really impressed by the guys that came to meet them, and there were alot of comments like "This is just like what you would see in Japan"

So my opinion is that you should write the article, but perhaps just concentrate on the cars and styling cues (even though that sparked just as much debate as the culture vs. cars idea). Just post your article when you are done and we will start another 10 page debate on what needs to be changed and you will have your article. ;D
I completely agree, great point. this topic should really only be applied to the styling aspect, applying to your life is actually probably not possible. If you really were V.I.P. I dont think you'd have to be on a forum to learn the lifestyle.

This article should be what YOU feel VIP is about here in the United States. I'd hope this article NOT to be a consensus general appeasement. We all have our takes on what VIP is, the public will decide in time what is acceptable for our culture. But the clarification that we are defining now will give proper reference for the future. Why the clarification? because we all hate how generic JDM has become, and because we like being part of our own elite lil niche. Thats life.

[V8_Aristo]

It went really well.* At first, I thought that we would have to tailor the story to “legitimize” the HIN definition of VIP, but Thanh wanted me to be honest and spend time focusing on the differences between traditional VIP in Japan and VIP in the style that HIN has identified.* They are interested in bringing shows like VIP Auto Fashion to the east coast to markets like NYC and Florida and asked me to assist in the process.*

The funny thing is that here is the opportunity to educate and “fix” the US markets perception on VIP, yet the responses to my request are very minimal.* Granted, those who did supply input did provide valuable information for the story.* Those who made excuses like “you only gave us 14 hours to respond” really crack me up because this post got a dozen responses in a days time regarding what’s wrong with the VIP scene here.* Instead of taking the time to educate and help me gather material for the story that clarifies, post after post of what’s wrong with it was made.* I guess some people would rather spend endless hours complaining about it than trying to fix it.

Well, with the limited free time I have, I’m going to attempt to write the article with the information provided by a few members along with documentation I’ve collected along the way.* Now I’m just waiting for someone to say this is not a professional way to approach this or how I’m doing it because I just have monetary reasons…… ::)



It was great meeting you Mark and definitely a great experience to pick your brain. NY was a blast! i'm still trying to recover from it all.... the city just doesn't sleep! Anyways I just want to make it clear that I do not believe there needs to be any fixing of what VIP is. Car styling changes and there is no set rule on how to style a car. There can be guidelines but those are constantly being tested and pushed.... doesn't just apply to US but also to Japanese VIP/tuner styles also. Do I want to exactly replicate the styling here to the US? honestly in my opinion.... no. What my whole end goal is for the US to really take the inspirations from the Japanese culture and apply it to our market. My vision is not really of replication but of expansion.

In all honesty I think its completely absurd to have specific platforms that can grace the styling characteristics, atleast here in the USA. Our cultures intertwine and mix many styles, I dont see why cars should be any different. So to clarify, No I do not think we need to fix anything. I do think we need to become our own western entity for what VIP is and stop limiting ourselves. Japan doesn't seem to limit themselves... Look in your VIPmags and I guarantee you will find a handful of Euro's and even US Domestics in there. Whether the hardcore groups over there consider these cars reputable builds is not of my concern, we live here and we are innovators of our own culture.

I have my opinions and I'm sure some will not agree and its a shame when people reserve their opinions because of. I think its good that we speak openly about it and just wish we could leave the childish non-sense out, I just don't see how this bickering remotely comes off as VIP. The name calling shoving match doesn't help anyone and really only hinders the advancement of the culture.


Are you sure you guys had the same conversation? Sounds like two different stories from what I hear. ::)

This was debated a long time ago. And the conclusion is, Japanese VIP style will never be mainstream and marketable since the platform is so limited to a few US platforms. So the term "VIP" will always be associated for the masses to include anything luxury and expensive.

My question to UpTownGS is, will a Japanese inspired VIPstyle car have a chance to win over a USA inspired car? Will your judges know what to look for? It seems that what is very important to someone who is into the Japanese VIP styling, is not even significant to the VIPAutoFashion Guidelines. Will a perfectly fitted set of Work Eurolines get more points that a moderately fitted set of HREs or Brabus? Will stretch tires and cambered suspension improve, worsen or would not matter as far as points are concerned? Will a well maintain stock leather interior (with a few added parts) win over "designer logo" interior?

I don't blame Vision Entertainment for making VIPAutoFashion the way it is, because this market is growing and soon enough it will have a great following. And as an enthusiast of the Japanese VIPstyle, I don't think I will joining this movement.

[NG C-Klasse]

Are you sure you guys had the same conversation? Sounds like two different stories from what I hear. ::)

This was debated a long time ago. And the conclusion is, Japanese VIP style will never be mainstream and marketable since the platform is so limited to a few US platforms. So the term "VIP" will always be associated for the masses to include anything luxury and expensive.

My question to UpTownGS is, will a Japanese inspired VIPstyle car have a chance to win over a USA inspired car? Will your judges know what to look for? It seems that what is very important to someone who is into the Japanese VIP styling, is not even significant to the VIPAutoFashion Guidelines. Will a perfectly fitted set of Work Eurolines get more points that a moderately fitted set of HREs or Brabus? Will stretch tires and cambered suspension improve, worsen or would not matter as far as points are concerned? Will a well maintain stock leather interior (with a few added parts) win over "designer logo" interior?

I don't blame Vision Entertainment for making VIPAutoFashion the way it is, because this market is growing and soon enough it will have a great following. And as an enthusiast of the Japanese VIPstyle, I don't think I will joining this movement.

Yah, I agree. As a former judge myself I have to say that when I judged cars for a certain category, the first thing I did was view how accurate the car was for that category. The biggest thing though is cleanliness...over anything. A dirty/undetailed car will never win...regardless how badass everyone thinks it is. As far as the interior goes..good interior is good interior. if it came down to that as a final decision in most cases the designer interior will take the cake. But it doesn't mean you won't get points for a well maintained interior..especially on an aging chassis. Fitment is big in my book and I always determined the points on execution (how well the wheels fit/flowed with the package), fitment, and brand level (yes, DPE's would win points over American Racing). As far as the close level wheels of Europe and Japan...it depends on the category they are used in. In a VIP Category a comparable fitment of Amistad's and HRE's..the HRE will not take as many points to me. But if it were the Euro category, the HRE would take more points. The issue about tires and what not..it's all in the fitment...if the fitment works then great. If the tires are stretched for no reason, then it doesn't matter, but if the entrant went more extreme with the fitment but made it work with suspension and hipari tire then awesome. More points for them. Above and beyond wins points. VIP cars and EXE cars should not be in the same category IMHO. The EXE cars have less going on, less to judge and wouldn't win in a car show environment in a VIP category in most cases unless there is a lack of entrants. They'd be better off in the Euro category since that style is based on the same concepts. Now this is just my opnion and how things differ in the US..show wise and through my experience in shows and judging.

I do see VIP becoming marketable..it will change slightly, as do all styles that cross the oceans, but will come into it's own right here. It'll just take time. The chassis's used will also change over time as it grows in popularity. People said drifting wouldn't catch on either...we certainly proved that wrong.

[V8_Aristo]

Yah, I agree.* As a former judge myself I have to say that when I judged cars for a certain category, the first thing I did was view how accurate the car was for that category.* The biggest thing though is cleanliness...over anything.* A dirty/undetailed car will never win...regardless how badass everyone thinks it is.* As far as the interior goes..good interior is good interior.* if it came down to that as a final decision in most cases the designer interior will take the cake.* But it doesn't mean you won't get points for a well maintained interior..especially on an aging chassis.* Fitment is big in my book and I always determined the points on execution (how well the wheels fit/flowed with the package), fitment, and brand level (yes, DPE's would win points over American Racing).* As far as the close level wheels of Europe and Japan...it depends on the category they are used in.* In a VIP Category a comparable fitment of Amistad's and HRE's..the HRE will not take as many points to me.* But if it were the Euro category, the HRE would take more points.* The issue about tires and what not..it's all in the fitment...if the fitment works then great.* If the tires are stretched for no reason, then it doesn't matter, but if the entrant went more extreme with the fitment but made it work with suspension and hipari tire then awesome.* More points for them.* Above and beyond wins points.* VIP cars and EXE cars should not be in the same category IMHO.* The EXE cars have less going on, less to judge and wouldn't win in a car show environment in a VIP category in most cases unless there is a lack of entrants.* They'd be better off in the Euro category since that style is based on the same concepts.* Now this is just my opnion and how things differ in the US..show wise and through my experience in shows and judging.

I do see VIP becoming marketable..it will change slightly, as do all styles that cross the oceans, but will come into it's own right here.* It'll just take time.* The chassis's used will also change over time as it grows in popularity.* People said drifting wouldn't catch on either...we certainly proved that wrong.


Atleast you're more knowledgeable than most of the judges I have met before.....

Most of these big show are made for the common car with the common mods, because judges only have a few seconds to look over your car. And with an uncommon car, judges really don't know what to look for and there's no time for the owner to explain everything due to time constraints or lack of interest.

[Dark Anghell]

I have give this subject some thought, and have read all the posts/arguments in this threat, and here's my take on the subject...
Personally I don't want to follow the "japanese VIP style", I don't want to imitate it...but it will be my main inspiration. I don't think that copying someone elses style is a way to personalize a car, and using only platforms that are VIP is rediculous. I have seen some Lancers and Tcs look better than some of the "true" VIP cars. As for the style itself...be creative, put some american spin on the look of the car. If we start copying cars out of magazines, then we might as well begin copying the outfits we see in magazines and movies, making our rooms look like a display bedrooms from IKEA. Where's the originality? What happened to our personal opinions?

If someone says my car doesn't look like VIP cars from Japan...I'd take that as a compliment. Like someone said, "lead, don't follow" use the same concept here. Use your own imagination and create a car that YOU like. Not a car that others will accept.

Hopefully this post makes some sense...need to catch up on some sleep :)

[UpTownGS]

I have give this subject some thought, and have read all the posts/arguments in this threat, and here's my take on the subject...
Personally I don't want to follow the "japanese VIP style", I don't want to imitate it...but it will be my main inspiration. I don't think that copying someone elses style is a way to personalize a car, and using only platforms that are VIP is rediculous. I have seen some Lancers and Tcs look better than some of the "true" VIP cars. As for the style itself...be creative, put some american spin on the look of the car. If we start copying cars out of magazines, then we might as well begin copying the outfits we see in magazines and movies, making our rooms look like a display bedrooms from IKEA. Where's the originality? What happened to our personal opinions?

If someone says my car doesn't look like VIP cars from Japan...I'd take that as a compliment. Like someone said, "lead, don't follow" use the same concept here. Use your own imagination and create a car that YOU like. Not a car that others will accept.

Hopefully this post makes some sense...need to catch up on some sleep :)
agreed.



V8_Aristo,
The judging process will change along w/ public opinion. I'm not going to say these judges are going to be pro's, and I'm not going to say they are completely clueless about VIP elements. 1, if we're talking about extremes.... a complete LS430 would never go up against a fully modded Modena, different classes. Now if we use something a bit more related, lets say..... that same LS430 and a completely done up Bentley Azure. Which ever car has more going for it will simply win.... I dont expect the Azure to be rocking some Weds while I dont expect a LS430 to ever sport some Kinesis wheels. They have their own domain and its how far they've taken their car into their own personalization. If all the mods are pretty much even, I'm going to have to say the Azure will still win because of its prestige and exclusiveness.

How will judges become experts regarding VIP styling? w/ knowledge and exposure, which is what we're all here trying to do..... right? or not? Now as far as getting the right people to head this whole judging process and clarifying the key elements to look for.... you'd have to wait and see.

I think the meeting w/ Mark went well and i DO think for the most part we are on the same page. He is a die hard VIP enthusiast that I believe is a good individual to help progress these styling cues. What I wanted to make clear is that I do not want to totally copy Japan, if you guys have a problem w/ me thinking so, then I am sorry but it is my opinion. We dont have the platforms to cater to such a narrow list of chasis and it would be impossible to successfully progress the style if all we're limited to was a few Lexus and a few Infiniti's. If anything, my only difference w/ Mark is that I want expansion to bleed thru to many makes and models. He may or may not want the same thing, you'd have to ask him but I will definitely stand up and say YES i do want to expand VIP. As discussed before, if I can clarify the Jstyle elements more and give it its own niche in the market then the style will not be washed out and deem generic. In my opinion here in the US Market, the term VIP, or V.I.P is too generic and not specific enough. We have the luxury of having Japanese big body sedans, euro sedans, US sedans, exotic and high end supercars... In Japan it is just not as attainable as it is here in the US. Would it be different if it were more attainable? I dont know and I dont presume to know, all I know is I live here and won't be buying a car in Japan anytime soon.

[Dominik]

Now if we use something a bit more related, lets say..... that same LS430 and a completely done up Bentley Azure.


If all the mods are pretty much even, I'm going to have to say the Azure will still win because of its prestige and exclusiveness.


Why would an LS430 be up against a Bentley Azure? If thats the way that V. I. P. show classes will be organised then Japanese style vip cars will never get a chance (Bold world LS430 w/ Waffe wheels, side curtains, and air susp; VS Bentley with 24" Diamond-encrusted Giovanni Gnochi-Spaghettiono's, Air and Luis Vuitton roof lining?? The Spaghettiono's would have cost more than the LS430, so that must win!).

Although from what i read it would seem you are more interested in making a class for rich people to get away from Civics and Corolla's at car shows, than 'furthering VIP'. But at the very least you could make a division between Japanese luxury cars and European luxury cars!

In Japan they can differentiate between the two styles: DUB and VIP. Why cant that happen in the US?

[V8_Aristo]

agreed.



V8_Aristo,
The judging process will change along w/ public opinion. I'm not going to say these judges are going to be pro's, and I'm not going to say they are completely clueless about VIP elements. 1, if we're talking about extremes.... a complete LS430 would never go up against a fully modded Modena, different classes. Now if we use something a bit more related, lets say..... that same LS430 and a completely done up Bentley Azure. Which ever car has more going for it will simply win.... I dont expect the Azure to be rocking some Weds while I dont expect a LS430 to ever sport some Kinesis wheels. They have their own domain and its how far they've taken their car into their own personalization. If all the mods are pretty much even, I'm going to have to say the Azure will still win because of its prestige and exclusiveness.

How will judges become experts regarding VIP styling? w/ knowledge and exposure, which is what we're all here trying to do..... right? or not? Now as far as getting the right people to head this whole judging process and clarifying the key elements to look for.... you'd have to wait and see.

I think the meeting w/ Mark went well and i DO think for the most part we are on the same page. He is a die hard VIP enthusiast that I believe is a good individual to help progress these styling cues. What I wanted to make clear is that I do not want to totally copy Japan, if you guys have a problem w/ me thinking so, then I am sorry but it is my opinion. We dont have the platforms to cater to such a narrow list of chasis and it would be impossible to successfully progress the style if all we're limited to was a few Lexus and a few Infiniti's. If anything, my only difference w/ Mark is that I want expansion to bleed thru to many makes and models. He may or may not want the same thing, you'd have to ask him but I will definitely stand up and say YES i do want to expand VIP. As discussed before, if I can clarify the Jstyle elements more and give it its own niche in the market then the style will not be washed out and deem generic. In my opinion here in the US Market, the term VIP, or V.I.P is too generic and not specific enough. We have the luxury of having Japanese big body sedans, euro sedans, US sedans, exotic and high end supercars... In Japan it is just not as attainable as it is here in the US. Would it be different if it were more attainable? I dont know and I dont presume to know, all I know is I live here and won't be buying a car in Japan anytime soon.



To me that's not even close to what I was asking, but I see where this is heading. So, I would not even want to get into a debate with someone who has obviously made up his mind. Your opinion is not just an opinion since you have the responsibility of actually making the guidelines of what is going to be followed.

I hope you have a very prosperous venture and Thank you for visiting our humble forum.

[uncle_el]

sounds like we're getting into the "american definition of vip"... which we have a thread for already: http://vipstylecars.com/forum/index.php?topic=1868.0

clearly, if the powers that be continue the way they are (and there's no reason to think that it won't continue in the vein it is), vip will just be expensive rides with modifications. when you look at the vip autofashion website (which got one ton vip started on the above thread), you can see the dilemma: vip supercar, vip exotic, vip tuning, vip luxury...

[UpTownGS]

You guys are taking what I'm saying completely out of context. Maybe its my fault for not conveying myself right. Either way, if you look at what i have mentioned before and my very humble post history you will see realize that my #1 goal is to create an entity for Japanese VIP in this new market that is forming. By defining and incorporating that specific niche of automobiles into shows we are able to create a presense that will get Jstyle VIP its proper exposure. Now A VIP'd Japanese big body sedan wouldn't go up against a Bentley Azure to win a respective class but at our shows we do have a "Best of show" which encompasses all. At HIN, a Civic or a Celica can win Best of Show over RX7's, Supra's, and Bimmers, thats been the case for quite some time now. Why do you have to use extremes to compare a nicely fitted LS430 vs a totally DUBish tacky Azure? When I used the two as examples I was thinking more along the lines of a nicely done up Azure w/ perfect fitment credible features to include body, wheels, suspension etc etc.... lets not use the DUB crutch, that is NOT what I am trying to do. 2 perfectly done up vehicles will be tough to decide, but if one of it is an Azure than I send the edge to the Azure. My only difference w/ some is that I don't feel the need to limit what is VIP by chasis, atleast not here in the United States. We just physically do not have all the options that Japan has for big body luxury sedans that is considered VIP. What we DO have is many other makes and models, some euro and some domestic.

and Yes if you look at the www.VIPAutoFashion.com site you will see predominantly Euro cars. Why? because that is the majority of what is considered VIP to our culture. I say "OUR" not as in VSC but as in the United States on a whole. There is just not enough presense for VIPStyleCars to cater an entire show specifically for big body Jstyle vehicles. I hope you guys dont feel that I am trying to bastardize what is considered a true Japanese VIP car. We could of easily filled up the entire venue w/ Bimmers, Ferrari's, Porshe, Lambos and supercars.... (just look at the pictures from last year), but i don't want that. I want to grow this community to introduce the US market to our VIP elements. That is why I tried to get everyone involved in the 1st place. Do understand.... I AM TRYING to reach out.

There are things in the VIP styling that I like and some I dont like, I dont press my views on anybody and I don't mold a show to my own style. What I do try to do is just do my own thing and let things be. Last year we tried defining VIP cars. we seperated Euro Tuning, Luxury, Exotic, and Supercar. In Luxury we introduced Japanese styling cues and used alot of verbiage to try and get the idea across.

In the end, it just didn't do well. #1.... only a few Japanese VIP styled cars came out, I think I remember a total of 8 or 9.
#2.... the definition was semi-specific to current styling cues in Japan which is still changing. My fear is that the introduction becomes a mold. We don't want a mold of what a car msut do to be VIP, we want the public to create that definition. Who are we to define JVIP? no ones.... I say that in all honesty. It is the enthusiasts who will define what VIP truly is. What the show CAN do.... is set a few examples for people to take inspiration, and I am more than willing to do so.

V8_Aristo, it almost seems like we are always in disagreement. I want to take this opportunity to let you know I am not trying to attack you or make this a personal matter. I have conveyed what I liked and did not like in what we considered as VIP, that is only my opinion. What do I like? I like saying more w/ less. I like fitment. I like the detail involved in creating a nice stance. I like lippage, it just looks pimp. What I don't like? I dont like neg camber, its just not my thing. I don't like curtains, don't need em'. For the most part I dont' like Air Suspension, But I do want them for practicality w/ driveways and such. I understand neg camber and Air automatically makes me an odd ball in all that is VIP so I don't even try and don't even consider my car VIP. That's cool w/ me and I'm not gonna stress over it, I pay my respects to VIP cars as my inspiration but I'll travel along my own lines. But I don't try to enforce my interests onto anyone or any show competitor. Those that have met me will understand, I never say "You should do this or that b/c thats wack." Hell no! that is disrespectful to the person and to being an enthusiasts. I'm sure we can appreciate certain elements in all aspects of tuning, and YES even from DUB. I truly believe in just doing what you like.

[Dominik]

Yes, I did use an exaggerated example of a tacky dub car against a simple vip car. But the point is, the class you are trying to define sounds to me exactly the same as DUB. We all like to laugh at the cheesy chrome rims seen on dub cars, but everybody knows that is not all that dub includes. It would be like saying VIP style cars all have 25cm widebodies and exhausts that stick out 2 feet from the rear of the car.

Modern DUB cars are almost identical to Japanese VIP cars - nice wheels, slammed and big lips. Just about the only difference these days is the Japanese focus on fitment (though that is not always the case), and the fact that japanese vip cars are done with Japanese Wheels, Japanese kits and Japanese cars!

So if we start including euro/us/2-door cars into vip styling, and saying that we should not try to copy Japanese magazine cars (with Japanese kits/wheels etc), then how are you differentiating that version of vip style from the established dub style?

[V8_Aristo]

UpTownGS, I don't take it personal that you have a different opinion than me.

Why not leave Japanese VIP styling out of it so it can mature just like the other categories out there. I'm sure DUB's and Euro's had they're fair share of Rocky starts back in the days when it first started. And don't worry about us thinking we are getting neglected, on the contrary, we might even get a better identity.

[{-.-}]

Just MOD your cars at the end of the day you know you did it right and any TRUE VIP er will know what a GREAT ride you fixed up.

Just like HIN L.A its about the EXPENSIVE car but hey what do we know right.........

Even on this forum there are ONLY like 50 that really KNOW VIP the rest have a VIPcar cause they put a JP Fusa on the car ;D

I like the Scion / bB fixed up VIPstyle its just like in Japan the Vans and Boxs out number the VIPcars. :smitten:

[actolex]

Even on this forum there are ONLY like 50 that really KNOW VIP the rest have a VIPcar cause they put a JP Fusa on the car* ;D





Can you imagine banking a company or show series on just these types of cars? You'll probably have 30 cars enter at any city...max. As stated before, there are a limited number of VIP platforms that are available here in the US....and even fewer ofthe owners are into VIP style. Hardcore Japanese VIP just won't make it here with those numbers......end of story.

[tjg00]

Yes, true VIP will never be big here, or really understood, I think mainly because of the lack of platforms. I think even vip style is already mis-understood, as evidenced by the various car shows having a "VIP" section with ferraris and other expensive ass exotics. So knowing that, I don't really care about what's VIP or not, I know my car isn't and that's fine. I like it, and that's all that matters.

[UpTownGS]

Even w/ all said and done, for the most part those that represent at the shows are mainly EXE.... I would however LOVE it to show off the VIP elements.

Modern DUB cars are almost identical to Japanese VIP cars - nice wheels, slammed and big lips. Just about the only difference these days is the Japanese focus on fitment (though that is not always the case), and the fact that japanese vip cars are done with Japanese Wheels, Japanese kits and Japanese cars!

So if we start including euro/us/2-door cars into vip styling, and saying that we should not try to copy Japanese magazine cars (with Japanese kits/wheels etc), then how are you differentiating that version of vip style from the established dub style? In my opinion modern DUB cars run along the lines of EXE, I think its far off from what VIP is. Japanese VIP cars usually carry Japanese wheels, bodies, and on the Japanese cars... just like how Euro's should be Euro wheels, bodies, and cars also.Things like Fitment, attention to detail, progressive flow, themes, and innovation are universal that can be used on all these platforms.

My whole idea about not copying Japanese magazine cars is that while we are over here trying to take a copy cat mold of what we think a VIP car is.... I gaurantee you some VIPcar enthusiast over there is taking styling elements from our US magazines at the same time. I don't believe in copying molds.... I believe in innovation and running w/ what you like. If you like what you see in that magazine then fine, use it... but doing something that u see in a magazine simply because its in VIPcar mag, is a bit redundant.

[jdmpalace]

It's going to take a while for US to have the Japanese VIP and VIP style as a class !!
All I know, They had the stupid VIP Auto Fashion Class @ HIN LA !! hella dum, The Jackasses showed up with bone stock GTs , Lambos and Ferraries and some of them had the HRE RC style wheels on them and they call themselves VIP !!

[actolex]

It's going to take a while for US to have the Japanese VIP and VIP style as a class !!
All I know, They had the stupid VIP Auto Fashion Class @ HIN LA !! hella dum, The Jackasses showed up with bone stock GTs , Lambos and Ferraries and some of them had the HRE RC style wheels on them and they call themselves VIP !!*



...have you read any of the posts on HIN VIP????

[jdmpalace]

NO, There are actually post about that !! I guess I'm not the only one then :coolsmiley:

[UpTownGS]

It's going to take a while for US to have the Japanese VIP and VIP style as a class !!
All I know, They had the stupid VIP Auto Fashion Class @ HIN LA !! hella dum, The Jackasses showed up with bone stock GTs , Lambos and Ferraries and some of them had the HRE RC style wheels on them and they call themselves VIP !!

I presume you are speaking about the vehicles that were in the Meguiars VIP area. That was our display area for "THe Ultimate Garage award" He had to bring all his vehicles, w/ pink slips showing ownership in hand to win the "Ultimate garage" award. We gladly displayed him in the Meguiars VIP section.

Show up to represent whats really VIP or not.... your choice.

[jdmpalace]

I was so busy showing my own car and make sure things go well which they did ;), I didn't have a chance to see the exact banner !! But I did saw the Vip Auto Fashion in front of the Silver Gt !! I went through cars one time for like 15 mins after I got judged !! I don't care what others say or think, personally I got couple of bibbles when it comes to VIP or VIP style and they are "VIPCAR" and "VIPWAG" Magazines and the rest to me is just a talk, I don't care if you even borne in Japan and your dady is the VIP king there :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[uncle_el]

Can you imagine banking a company or show series on just these types of cars?

and that, at the end of the day, is the a big part of the reason that in the usa, vip really isn't vip.

when i read posts from robert, dominik, and mike from night garage, one ton vip, v8 aristo, viplife, etc, i get the sense that vip isn't about winning a trophy, getting in a mag, pleasing a sponsor... that it's about a way of life, and in some ways, it's sort of just the way it is, either the car fits the bill of being vip, or it doesn't. but here in the usa, it's about a money making opportunity, people trying to fit into a certain category for the purpose of winning a trophy, getting into a mag, pleasing a sponsor. i'm not saying that one way is right, or the other is wrong... but i guess in some ways i am (lol).

so, in the end, in the usa, as far as the masses are concerned, vip will be any expensive ride, or any ride deemed/considered/appearing to be expensive. so, a modified 3 series bimmer will sit next to a modified pontiac solstice which will sit near a porsche 911 gt2 which will sit next to a dodge magnum with a 300c front end, and all will be "vip". nothing's wrong with any of those aforementioned cars, but they seem to stray very far from what would be labeled vipstyle, let alone vip...

[Brandicus]

and that, at the end of the day, is the a big part of the reason that in the usa, vip really isn't vip.

when i read posts from robert, dominik, and mike from night garage, one ton vip, v8 aristo, viplife, etc, i get the sense that vip isn't about winning a trophy, getting in a mag, pleasing a sponsor... that it's about a way of life, and in some ways, it's sort of just the way it is, either the car fits the bill of being vip, or it doesn't. but here in the usa, it's about a money making opportunity, people trying to fit into a certain category for the purpose of winning a trophy, getting into a mag, pleasing a sponsor. i'm not saying that one way is right, or the other is wrong... but i guess in some ways i am (lol).

so, in the end, in the usa, as far as the masses are concerned, vip will be any expensive ride, or any ride deemed/considered/appearing to be expensive. so, a modified 3 series bimmer will sit next to a modified pontiac solstice which will sit near a porsche 911 gt2 which will sit next to a dodge magnum with a 300c front end, and all will be "vip". nothing's wrong with any of those aforementioned cars, but they seem to stray very far from what would be labeled vipstyle, let alone vip...


I wouldnt give up all hope on the usa market and no one can predict the future. maybe im hopelessly optimistic but your own signature says it all uncle el ;)

[uncle_el]

I wouldnt give up all hope on the usa market and no one can predict the future. maybe im hopelessly optimistic but your own signature says it all uncle el ;)


the overall sentiment of my previous statement was more aimed at my perceived notion of vip at hin/autofashion and whatever other car shows seem to have a "vip" category. and if the "powers that be" that are in charge and/or have some influence on the car shows are pushing that vip be a modified 3 series bimmer, then that's what it will be; if they push for it to be a bentley continental gt on dubs, then that's what it will be; if they push for it to be both, then that's what it will be... at least in this country. clearly, there's not a lot of push, from the "powers that be", for vip/bippu here in the u.s. to even come close to what it is in japan. again, it seems as though the powers that be are saying hot cars that are expensive, or appear to be, are vip.

when it comes to car shows (hin/hid/etc.), you have the die hard people who read every single rule in the rule book for points, and aim their "build"/buying of parts & installation towards that end- towards hitting every single section and gaining points to win trophies to win notoriety. and then you have some people who build cars for themselves, and could really care less what some car show judge thinks, and might not attend a car show anyway. and i suppose you have people who are in between. but of course the portion that gets the media coverage, biased or unbiased, are those that hit the shows. so what will show up in magazines in the u.s. as vip will be dictated by the rule book put forth in the first place.

[Brandicus]

the overall sentiment of my previous statement was more aimed at my perceived notion of vip at hin/autofashion and whatever other car shows seem to have a "vip" category. and if the "powers that be" that are in charge and/or have some influence on the car shows are pushing that vip be a modified 3 series bimmer, then that's what it will be; if they push for it to be a bentley continental gt on dubs, then that's what it will be; if they push for it to be both, then that's what it will be... at least in this country. clearly, there's not a lot of push, from the "powers that be", for vip/bippu here in the u.s. to even come close to what it is in japan. again, it seems as though the powers that be are saying hot cars that are expensive, or appear to be, are vip.

when it comes to car shows (hin/hid/etc.), you have the die hard people who read every single rule in the rule book for points, and aim their "build"/buying of parts & installation towards that end- towards hitting every single section and gaining points to win trophies to win notoriety. and then you have some people who build cars for themselves, and could really care less what some car show judge thinks, and might not attend a car show anyway. and i suppose you have people who are in between. but of course the portion that gets the media coverage, biased or unbiased, are those that hit the shows. so what will show up in magazines in the u.s. as vip will be dictated by the rule book put forth in the first place.


very well said, I agree. I fall into the category of 'building for myself' so I dont have a firm understanding of the car show modding mentality, thanks for the insight :)

[UpTownGS]

clearly, there's not a lot of push, from the "powers that be", for vip/bippu here in the u.s. to even come close to what it is in japan. again, it seems as though the powers that be are saying hot cars that are expensive, or appear to be, are vip.
What sort of push may I ask is necessary to get everyone involved? I have personally been pursuing to have VIP/EXE cars represent what VIP really is at VIPAutoFashion. There's only so much that can be done. My personal opinion is I think here in the United States we should be willing to extend VIP styling elements into other platforms instead of knocking it.... don't believe me? search through the various posts made in the past. Instead of segregating those that want to experiment w/ other platforms, let us embrace it. Now that is my personal belief, and does not mean a damn thing. In the end the public will decide what is VIP and what isn't. So if we're going to sit here and put so much emphasis to prove what is VIP and what isn't... why not step up to show the public what VIP really is..... if you don't want to show, then fine... represent in your own right, whether it be magazines or meets. But I do ask for vehicles to display at VIPAutoFashion to represent our VIP element, that has been clearly stated numerous times.

[actolex]

What sort of push may I ask is necessary to get everyone involved? I have personally been pursuing to have VIP/EXE cars represent what VIP really is at VIPAutoFashion. There's only so much that can be done. My personal opinion is I think here in the United States we should be willing to extend VIP styling elements into other platforms instead of knocking it.... don't believe me? search through the various posts made in the past. Instead of segregating those that want to experiment w/ other platforms, let us embrace it. Now that is my personal belief, and does not mean a damn thing. In the end the public will decide what is VIP and what isn't. So if we're going to sit here and put so much emphasis to prove what is VIP and what isn't... why not step up to show the public what VIP really is..... if you don't want to show, then fine... represent in your own right, whether it be magazines or meets. But I do ask for vehicles to display at VIPAutoFashion to represent our VIP element, that has been clearly stated numerous times.



This is a battle that will never be won...especially on this board.*



clearly, there's not a lot of push, from the "powers that be", for vip/bippu here in the u.s. to even come close to what it is in japan.* again, it seems as though the powers that be are saying hot cars that are expensive, or appear to be, are vip.


Well, of course it will never be the same here.* About half the cars that are VIP platforms never even made it here to the US.* Did you ever consider that?* We here in the US are working with an estimated 1/3 of the VIP platform cars just in shear number to begin with.* The scene is very young and will not be embraced by a ton of people here.....no less the VIP culture.* You're talking about VIP that is very deeply routed in the Japanese culture to be as popular here in the US, as it is in Japan.*

So, you have 1/3 the cars here in the US as in Japan, a car style and lifestyle that is heavily influenced by the Japanese culture, and you think it won't be successful here because the "powers to be" aren't pushing it???* * You still want to stick with that???

[Pagong]

This is a battle that will never be won...especially on this board.*



You might be on to something here mark.

[uncle_el]

What sort of push may I ask is necessary to get everyone involved? I have personally been pursuing to have VIP/EXE cars represent what VIP really is at VIPAutoFashion. There's only so much that can be done. My personal opinion is I think here in the United States we should be willing to extend VIP styling elements into other platforms instead of knocking it.... don't believe me? search through the various posts made in the past. Instead of segregating those that want to experiment w/ other platforms, let us embrace it.

should vip styling be extended to other platforms, sure.* but at least the cars should have just that, vip styling.* none of the 4 cars on the current vipautofashion website's front page are even vip styled.* and when you click on the pictures to see the photos from the show, there doesn't seem to be a car that is vipstyled, let alone vip/bippu.* but there are plenty of cars that are expensive.



Now that is my personal belief, and does not mean a damn thing. In the end the public will decide what is VIP and what isn't. So if we're going to sit here and put so much emphasis to prove what is VIP and what isn't... why not step up to show the public what VIP really is..... if you don't want to show, then fine... represent in your own right, whether it be magazines or meets. But I do ask for vehicles to display at VIPAutoFashion to represent our VIP element, that has been clearly stated numerous times.


the public doesn't decide what gets put into what category at a show, the people that put the show together do.* a ford f150 can't compete in a sport compact category, and a honda civic can't compete in a truck category.* people that enter shows to win look at the rule book, and aim their vehicles toward that end.


Well, of course it will never be the same here.* About half the cars that are VIP platforms never even made it here to the US.* Did you ever consider that?* We here in the US are working with an estimated 1/3 of the VIP platform cars just in shear number to begin with.* The scene is very young and will not be embraced by a ton of people here.....no less the VIP culture.* You're talking about VIP that is very deeply routed in the Japanese culture to be as popular here in the US, as it is in Japan.*

So, you have 1/3 the cars here in the US as in Japan, a car style and lifestyle that is heavily influenced by the Japanese culture, and you think it won't be successful here because the "powers to be" aren't pushing it???* * You still want to stick with that???


i don't think i ever said that it should be strictly vip platforms, though that would definitely be a starting point.* however, it is quite concerning when the 4 pics of each "vip" category on vipautofashion's site aren't even vipstyled, let alone vip/bippu.* it seems, from what i've seen so far, we should just call it, expensive-ass car, baller/ball or something of that nature.* i have no problem with vipstyled scions, gs400s, 300c's, sc400s, q45s, accords etc. etc.* but when it's a ferrari on stock wheels, even though the car is definitely hot, it doesn't fit the vip/bippu bill.

it'd be nice to see your, actolex, new lexus is, or something styled in similar vein, on the page as the pic for the vip tuning category rather than a tuned 3 series bimmer.* or v8 aristo's lexus gs, or something like it, as the pic for the vip luxury category rather than what appears to be a stock bentley continental gt.* don't get me wrong, i find both the 3 series bimmer and the bentley continental gt attractive cars, and many people probably do.* however, a hot car does not a vip car make.

[UpTownGS]

should vip styling be extended to other platforms, sure. but at least the cars should have just that, vip styling. none of the 4 cars on the current vipautofashion website's front page are even vip styled. and when you click on the pictures to see the photos from the show, there doesn't seem to be a car that is vipstyled, let alone vip/bippu. but there are plenty of cars that are expensive.


the public doesn't decide what gets put into what category at a show, the people that put the show together do. a ford f150 can't compete in a sport compact category, and a honda civic can't compete in a truck category. people that enter shows to win look at the rule book, and aim their vehicles toward that end.

i don't think i ever said that it should be strictly vip platforms, though that would definitely be a starting point. however, it is quite concerning when the 4 pics of each "vip" category on vipautofashion's site aren't even vipstyled, let alone vip/bippu. it seems, from what i've seen so far, we should just call it, expensive-ass car, baller/ball or something of that nature. i have no problem with vipstyled scions, gs400s, 300c's, sc400s, q45s, accords etc. etc. but when it's a ferrari on stock wheels, even though the car is definitely hot, it doesn't fit the vip/bippu bill.

it'd be nice to see your, actolex, new lexus is, or something styled in similar vein, on the page as the pic for the vip tuning category rather than a tuned 3 series bimmer. or v8 aristo's lexus gs, or something like it, as the pic for the vip luxury category rather than what appears to be a stock bentley continental gt. don't get me wrong, i find both the 3 series bimmer and the bentley continental gt attractive cars, and many people probably do. however, a hot car does not a vip car make.

When I said I thought VIP styling should be implemented into other platforms, I meant exactly that... I thought... its my opinion. In no way or form is it going to happen unless the public decides to do so.

Now i'll agree with you regarding all 4 photos on vipautofashion not representing bippu or exe at all..... Thats something I addressed last year. Now let me give you a brief overview of my battles. VIP Auto Fashion was originally thought up to cater to these so called expensive baller vehicles. For V.I.P's per se. Why? because its a business and where else can you get 500 high end automobiles under one roof. Now my attention lies in the automotive side focused in marketing. What do I look for? content.... meaning....and longevity.

Last year I requested to have Bippu/EXE style represented there, you have to understand it was a fight for me too to include euro tuner (3series, A4's etc etc), and Bippu/EXE. Why did I fight for it? My idea is that VIP along w/ euro tuners are the foundation of this tuner class. Aside from the Porshe crowd, most these individuals aren't really into modifying their vehicles too much. It just doesn't make sense to many of them. A new bumper w/ paint might cost them $50k and we all know OEM quality is always the best. The Porshe crowd however are mod crazy but thats an entirely other subject.

Ok now why wasn't VIP style a big target for the show.

#1... we simply DO NOT have the platform support to implement a true gathering of VIP cars. Here in SoCal we have a good group of VIP cars but mostly all EXE. To fill up an entire venue is just not reasonable.

#2... VIP styling just isn't popular yet. Do I think its gaining momentum? I would like to think so.

#3... Corporate heads just do not know about VIPcars. I'll be the 1st to admit, our company is a corporate entity where sometimes we must explain the hightened importance of such key factors such as definition and history. In the end we compromise to satisfy true content and value. Lets be real, its a business and we wont' do something unless we're going to make money. With that being said, I have the utmost confidence that the VIP cars can really take alot of the spotlight and knab those media shots. w/ media shots and exposure comes ticket sales. W/ ticket sales comes sponsors. And w/ sponsors = revenue.

The entire formula is really quite simple. I do want everyone to understand that pursuing the VIP scene has been a goal of mine for a while now. Why else have I spent so much time trying to explain my thoughts and perspective. I have laid it out as honestly as I could, I DO WANT to implement the true VIP styling elements. I do want EXE to shine. I do want the die hard enthusiasts to represent the history. Now regarding a Japanese VIP class, I'm not going to open up a class if none of the enthusiasts are willing to show. Am I willing to? hell yes! thats been known for quite some time now.

If you all want to show and educate the public then the doors are open. This is my invitation..... the choice is yours.

[NG C-Klasse]

I agree with what's being said. All of you have made some good points. VIP will never be the same here in the US as it is in Japan, but it doesn't mean the US can't have their own swing on things. The platform issue is important too..as stated we have far fewer cars to work with. I think things could work, but people need to be patient and willing to allow change in order for the growth of VIP in America. What do you guys think?

[actolex]

UpTownGS.....I totally agree. What some members tend to forget that if it wasn't for the corporate presence, there will be no support. Yeah, it's great to have grass-roots enthusiasm and expertise, but without the corporate end support, it will be a tough hill to climb. Hopefully the write-up I sent you gave you some material to utilize in your future plans. Let me know if you need anymore info. ;)

[UpTownGS]

UpTownGS.....I totally agree. What some members tend to forget that if it wasn't for the corporate presence, there will be no support. Yeah, it's great to have grass-roots enthusiasm and expertise, but without the corporate end support, it will be a tough hill to climb. Hopefully the write-up I sent you gave you some material to utilize in your future plans. Let me know if you need anymore info. ;)
The write up was fantastic! however I differ w/ you from the earliest beginnings of its styling..... however, I'm sure you'd probably know much more of its history than I. Keep all info coming because I enjoy learning at the same time. The write up will be sent and used in due time... right now its too early to get the right swing. I appreciate all your help and knowledge, we'll talk soon.

[{-.-}]

I do want EXE to shine. I do want the die hard enthusiasts to represent the history. Now regarding a Japanese VIP class, I'm not going to open up a class if none of the enthusiasts are willing to show. Am I willing to? hell yes! thats been known for quite some time now.


These guys have showed up in the past and some of them have won........ West coast JP 2nd Gen GS & CuteCboy w/ LS 1st gen and east Coast WideBodyLS w/ 1st gen. There are more BUT none of them were in some kind of VIP class. When you stick them NOT saying you but they win BEST Lexus and in other catagories whats the feeling they have and what do you think they will tell the rest. NOT GOOD RIGHT!!

John the founder of this forum was pushing VIPcars what was it 3-4 yrs ago at the shows. So MOST go with the flow and then tell the rest they pick a car that has a FAKE but who knows if it was or wasnt kit over a car that looks just as good if NOT better thats custom Modded or had an Expensive JP kit. Im NOT saying pick the JP car just because of the kit.

V8 Aristo which you seem NOT to be listening too is the MOST knowledgeable person that knows about the shows........ He has entered / made it to more then anyone else. If you dont see HIM going now what do you think his friends think when they are all from his area South Cali.

Will it change anytime soon I dont think so.......... its NOT that it needs to grow it needs to change NOW so those that have EXE or Wild VIPcar will enter again and the rest will follow. You see the VIDs these guys have been making those are NICE Vipcars and theres more. So what happens now is a guy shows his car only to represent a Sponser

Just at HIN L.A the judges did NOT believe the over fenders were made of metal custom made........... what does the person have to do to prove it have one fender NOT painted.

I hear what your saying and HOPE it changes.......... If you cant get the REAL VIPplatforms to show up why even open it to anyone cause he gots money for a expensive car.

The word ( VIPfashion = Expensive car ) talked about here in the past how the shows are tailored to them ONLY from day 1........... but the word VIP was NOT in use.

Just the damn Fuza those that use to sport it find nothing special in having it on the car like they did a few yrs back........... I made a KILLING selling just those for the true VIPcars and I can imagine how much the rest of you made sellig to anyone. ::)

Maybe open up a section where these guys can just show off the cars........... VIPstyle.............. NOT VIP. They will come may take time but what has been done in the past is hard to change the way they feel. Id rather be with 10 cars showing off OUR style of cars and NOT winning or entered in any catagory then being forced in a LEXUS class.

Sure folks like to try to WIN something............ both sides have to start somewhere or it will NEVER happen.

You know the meet you all had when the magazines showed up last yr VIPcar & VIP style. Make it a MEET this YR for ONLY VIPstyle cars. They will show up and you start there getting the word out. I plan on being there and if i hurt someones feeling cause he shows up in a VIPstyle S-14.

Id like to be the one to say you park there.......... you can park around the block and we been waiting for you your spot is right over there. :2funny: This event will only get bigger and bigger over time and if they only show this time once a yr and NOT at HIN so what. THEY WILL COME!!

[UpTownGS]

These guys have showed up in the past and some of them have won........ West coast JP 2nd Gen GS & CuteCboy w/ LS 1st gen and east Coast WideBodyLS w/ 1st gen. There are more BUT none of them were in some kind of VIP class. When you stick them NOT saying you but they win BEST Lexus and in other catagories whats the feeling they have and what do you think they will tell the rest. NOT GOOD RIGHT!!

John the founder of this forum was pushing VIPcars what was it 3-4 yrs ago at the shows. So MOST go with the flow and then tell the rest they pick a car that has a FAKE but who knows if it was or wasnt kit over a car that looks just as good if NOT better thats custom Modded or had an Expensive JP kit. Im NOT saying pick the JP car just because of the kit.
I'll agree w/ you for the most part, but honestly the competition wasn't ready for a VIP class back then. Now w/ more exposure we're starting to get more and more VIP cars being built. Just think.... would it be right to have a VIPstyled car class when you have only 1-2 cars in that class? The way Lexus class works is that when you register you are automatically categorized in every single category you qualify for. You will be either Wild, Mild, or Elite. Once you go extensive body mods to include changing body lines and what not, you go from Mild to Wild. Then pending on how far above that you go, then you enter into the Elite class. So a Lexus would be either of the 3 pending on how extensive its' mods are. Other than that it'd be entered into every other category out there except for the obvious "hottest honda, infiniti, nissan etc etc..."


V8 Aristo which you seem NOT to be listening too is the MOST knowledgeable person that knows about the shows........ He has entered / made it to more then anyone else. If you dont see HIM going now what do you think his friends think when they are all from his area South Cali. Believe me I am trying to listen but still analyze from a 3rd perspective. There are many other factors that limit what is suitable for any given market so as we're progressing this conversation, I will listen and include logistical practicality.



Will it change anytime soon I dont think so.......... its NOT that it needs to grow it needs to change NOW so those that have EXE or Wild VIPcar will enter again and the rest will follow. You see the VIDs these guys have been making those are NICE Vipcars and theres more. So what happens now is a guy shows his car only to represent a Sponser

Just at HIN L.A the judges did NOT believe the over fenders were made of metal custom made........... what does the person have to do to prove it have one fender NOT painted.
I dont know about you but if these judges run around believing whatever other people say then I think we're in for a bigger problem. Mr. Westphal is a good example of this you mention... he has widened metal fenders, he's backed this by documenting pictures and installations to bring to the shows and show that it really has been done right.....

I do not agree that the scene over here does not need to grow... it definitely needs to grow. It is an entirely new market over here and I'd be surprised if 10% of the tuner industry and audience even know what entails building a VIPcar. I see what you are saying and believe I understand your goals but realisticaly it is not a realistic attainable goal over here.


I hear what your saying and HOPE it changes.......... If you cant get the REAL VIPplatforms to show up why even open it to anyone cause he gots money for a expensive car.

The word ( VIPfashion = Expensive car ) talked about here in the past how the shows are tailored to them ONLY from day 1........... but the word VIP was NOT in use.

Just the damn Fuza those that use to sport it find nothing special in having it on the car like they did a few yrs back........... I made a KILLING selling just those for the true VIPcars and I can imagine how much the rest of you made sellig to anyone. ::)

Maybe open up a section where these guys can just show off the cars........... VIPstyle.............. NOT VIP. They will come may take time but what has been done in the past is hard to change the way they feel. Id rather be with 10 cars showing off OUR style of cars and NOT winning or entered in any catagory then being forced in a LEXUS class.

Sure folks like to try to WIN something............ both sides have to start somewhere or it will NEVER happen.

You know the meet you all had when the magazines showed up last yr VIPcar & VIP style. Make it a MEET this YR for ONLY VIPstyle cars. They will show up and you start there getting the word out. I plan on being there and if i hurt someones feeling cause he shows up in a VIPstyle S-14.

Id like to be the one to say you park there.......... you can park around the block and we been waiting for you your spot is right over there. :2funny: This event will only get bigger and bigger over time and if they only show this time once a yr and NOT at HIN so what. THEY WILL COME!!
The rest doesn't seem like we're on the same page so I dont' want to comment in fear of sounding like I'm trying to change your mindset. People will do what they want to do, in the end this is a hobby. Know your goal and go after it, no ones here to force anyone or push to show. Will I entice.... sure? at the end of the day I'm a fan myself.

[UpTownGS]

For the sake of conversation and end goal... I'd like to hear what it is everyone wants to happen?

what I propose? Open class for VIP AUto Fashion. Specific class's to define what we're about here.

Mild, Wild, and Elite 1-3rd *open for euro, japanese, exotic, luxury etc etc
Hottest Japanese VIP *specifically catered to our vip scene.
Hottest VIP styled 1-3rd *specifically catered to our vip scene.
Hottest Lexus 1-3rd *all lexus, VIP, tuner etc
Hottest Infiniti 1-3rd *all infiniti, VIP, tuner etc

1st thru 3rd will be dependent on how many of those vehicles enter.

[Pagong]

I think this whole thing is still growing.

Look at the Hawaii contingent...they almost have a whole fleet of VIP cars :smitten: Some wild, some mild , some EXe....a good mix.

The SoCal brothers are there as well, with the LS' from Club Lexus and a few GS' as well.

I cant wait..

[V8_Aristo]

For the sake of conversation and end goal... I'd like to hear what it is everyone wants to happen?

what I propose? Open class for VIP AUto Fashion. Specific class's to define what we're about here.

Mild, Wild, and Elite 1-3rd *open for euro, japanese, exotic, luxury etc etc
Hottest Japanese VIP* *specifically catered to our vip scene.
Hottest VIP styled 1-3rd *specifically catered to our vip scene.
Hottest Lexus 1-3rd *all lexus, VIP, tuner etc
Hottest Infiniti 1-3rd *all infiniti, VIP, tuner etc

1st thru 3rd will be dependent on how many of those vehicles enter.

When you say "specifically catered to our vip scene", will judges know what to look for?

The truth of the matter is, this type of style is so new that almost everyone in the US don't have a clue. Maybe a judge will see "Junction Produce" or "Air Runner" on the spec sheet and automatically assume that's top of the line, and will score accordingly so. I think judging will be very difficult, since most judges wouldn't know the difference.

[firelizard]

Know what I think? I think some VSC members need to start judging an official Vip class. Seriously, you guys seem to be the most knowledgeable group outisde of Japan.

[V8_Aristo]

Know what I think? I think some VSC members need to start judging an official Vip class. Seriously, you guys seem to be the most knowledgeable group outisde of Japan.


Who'd going to end up competing? ;D

[firelizard]

Oh yeah...

Well, i guess we'd need two groups: competitors and ex-owners + non-competing experts
:D

[UpTownGS]

When you say "specifically catered to our vip scene", will judges know what to look for?

The truth of the matter is, this type of style is so new that almost everyone in the US don't have a clue. Maybe a judge will see "Junction Produce" or "Air Runner" on the spec sheet and automatically assume that's top of the line, and will score accordingly so. I think judging will be very difficult, since most judges wouldn't know the difference.


I completely agree and have already been working on that to get the expertise of various identities. I certainly hope I don't come off as trying to sound like a pro... i understand completely that I'd have much more to learn while we progress this scene.

[Herb]

its really biased to say that the US isnt VIp since there are actually maybe a cluster of people who really knows their interpretation of VIP but at the same time these selected cluster of people doesnt want to inform or educate the general people or they dont want to learn and go on their own interpretation of VIP. So there a huge summary of tuners out there who thinks they are VIP, it is but only to their liking which i dont think it isnt bad at all but!, most of us can distinguish which is which.

Herb

[UpTownGS]

I wouldn't really say biased but VIP owners are usually very proud and passionate. Nothing wrong with that. Most information about VIP can be searched here on this forum but like said before..... I think overall we're trying to push the scene here in the US to become what is rightfully VIP in our market. Now I believe... what is right for this market is the discussion at hand.

[hellaflush]

VIP scene = still in growth (for USA)

I think we'll see more of it. But just like all things trendy in the USA, it eventually fades (I hope this will not be the case though, I love VIP style)