how much pulling for 35mm

[firelizard]

How much pulling of the fenders does it take to gain 35mm of clearance?
Does anyone have an example of a pull to gain a similar amount?

same question for 42mm?

[Caoboy]

put your stock wheels on, or whatever wheels u are going to use, measure the 35mm that you need, and pull. this is going on your protege right? what offset wheels are you going to use that you need? best to have the wheel, pull the fender a little bit, put the wheel on, measure how much clearance you need, then pull some more.

[firelizard]

Yeah, it's for the Protege.
I was looking at the Seeker CX 17x7.5 +23 front and 17x8.5 +32 rear which are 35 and 42 mm out, respectively.
I may be able to scrape together enough money before they're gone, but I really really don't want to rush into buying wheels that I won't be able to fit without flaring or a hideous pull.

I'll try to roll them tomorrow and see what that gives, but I'd rather see what I should be shooting for before I attempt to pull them.

[gmckey]

weak sizes. what's your car run from the factory? 15x7+50 or something crazy like that?

[firelizard]

14x6.5 +40 or near there

but that's not flush, so I don't need to pull a whole 42mm but I would like to know what kind of a pull that is - how extreme it is

[Caoboy]

DO NOT pull them until you have wheels that fit. its going to look ridiculous with pulled fenders/sunken wheels/stock height. get rims, suspension, and pulling done/in all at the same time. you know the motto, suspension and wheels first.

[gmckey]

14x6.5 +40 or near there

but that's not flush, so I don't need to pull a whole 42mm but I would like to know what kind of a pull that is - how extreme it is


Ok ok ok, now, I understand you're still in highschool or whatever trying to make ends meet and/or saving up for parts on the side... but honestly, you're not doing things very smartly IMO if you just painted your car in autobody and NOW you're thinking about fitting wheels w/ a pull...

however, good for you, I'm not sure what sorta calculations you're doing, but those wheels are only going to be +30/33mm front and rear... which means, you can probably roll the fenders NO PULL and get away with the fitment with small tire and camber.

so take that how you will... but I'm guessing you've never tried aggressively fitting wheels on a car eh?

[Dominik]

Not sure where that pic of my car is when i test fitted my current wheels on there. I went from 16x7" +40 to 18x10" +5, so close to 3" further out. The wheels were at least 1.5-2" outside the fender at stock height...

I ended up doing some crazy camber to make them fit, but no pulling. I reckon with those wheels all that will be needed is a roll and possibly dialling in some extra camber (with the stock adjustments)

[firelizard]

DO NOT pull them until you have wheels that fit. its going to look ridiculous with pulled fenders/sunken wheels/stock height. get rims, suspension, and pulling done/in all at the same time. you know the motto, suspension and wheels first.
Yeah good point, especially now that it sounds more doable I'm less worried about getting stuck with wheels too extreme for the car, I'll stick to el magico formula

Not sure where that pic of my car is when i test fitted my current wheels on there. I went from 16x7" +40 to 18x10" +5, so close to 3" further out. The wheels were at least 1.5-2" outside the fender at stock height...

I ended up doing some crazy camber to make them fit, but no pulling. I reckon with those wheels all that will be needed is a roll and possibly dialling in some extra camber (with the stock adjustments)
That's comforting, thanks.

Ok ok ok, now, I understand you're still in highschool or whatever trying to make ends meet and/or saving up for parts on the side... but honestly, you're not doing things very smartly IMO if you just painted your car in autobody and NOW you're thinking about fitting wheels w/ a pull...

however, good for you, I'm not sure what sorta calculations you're doing, but those wheels are only going to be +30/33mm front and rear... which means, you can probably roll the fenders NO PULL and get away with the fitment with small tire and camber.

so take that how you will... but I'm guessing you've never tried aggressively fitting wheels on a car eh?
You're actually right on all points, I've never fitted aggressive wheels on a car, and nobody in the shop is into that.
I was thinking about rolling and pulling before paint, but I needed the car back asap, and if the paint suffers after a pull (hopefully that won't be an issue) I can re-do it anyways, though I'd rather not.
I calculated with the 1010tires.com offset calculator, but if you're right, then that's nothing but good news.

All in all, thanks for the info guys! Very helpful

[Dominik]

Just make sure you get some skinny tyres for them wheels. The shop you are at might not want to do that for you either ;)

[gmckey]

http://marksink.com/tire_wheel_offset/offset.html

easiest to use and understand offset calculator.

Personal opinion: You really want your car to stand out with a VIP style flavor? Go all out, don't put weak wheels like that when you're shelling out probably 1200 at least for them right? Your stockers, judging from your paint pics, are super sunk like most economy based cars' stockers... you can go 60-75mm more extreme easily on just a roll/slight pull with the right tire stretch.

In the end, if you're serious about doing stuff to your protege... and you're going to throw down money for Profounds or anything really... might as well get rims that fit. I suggest ordering a pair of cheap 17x9+0 wheels such as hotwheels wheels or something along those lines... just go to tire rack and get the cheapest 8/9" width low offset wheel they offer... even one would really do just to check clearancing if you can't borrow one locally.

6.5+40 Base
9+0 +72mm
8+0 +59mm
9+15 +57mm

While those offsets may seem crazy because they're 2" wider than stock, look at how much gab you have at stock ride height between wheel and fender... if anything, slammed with 60mm wider wheel... it may still be sunk w/ stretched tire and camber...

[firelizard]

Hm, you may be right, I may have been underestimating the room I have.

However, I'm fairly certain a 9" wide wheel would hit the strut, and those offsets are too aggressive for this car. xBs can get away with some pretty bad ass fitments, but BHA Proteges are notoriously weak for inner fender space.

I just ran out to measure and folding the rear fender lip would yield an extra 20mm, about the same in front and there's maybe 5-10mm clearance from the unfolded lip with the stock wheels, so we're at 25-30mm of play so far. The car has flat fender edges so if I'm not mistaken, a long pull would be tricky - I personally don't think I could get way with more than 15 or 20mm of pull for a max of 50mm extra clearance, and I feel that's pretty generous even though it's just a rough estimation.

The good thing is, that it's pretty difficult to drop the BHA enough to tuck the tire on 17 or even 18" wheels, so that could allow some escape from rubbing.

But anyways, I may be (I hope I am) totally off too. I'll post some photos later tonight showing what I've got to work with

Edit: here are photos I took
This shows how much of a pull the additional clearance would be, including rolling the lip
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/firelizard2/Donner/IMG_0483small.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/firelizard2/Donner/IMG_0484small.jpg

[gmckey]

http://marksink.com/tire_wheel_offset/offset.html
Wheel/Outer Clearance
6.5+40 Base
9+0 +72mm
8+0 +59mm
9+15 +57mm

Wheel/Inner Clearance
6.5+40 Base
9+0 Gain 8 mm
8+0 Gain 21mm
9+15 Lose 7mm


Most OEM setups have a good amount of spacing between wheel/tire and suspension so you're going to have MORE space w/ the 9/8 +0 and only loose 7mm w/ the 9+15...

And what you're not taking into effect... is even if you have only 20-30mm more clearance at your current height w/ the fender rolled/slight pull, you'll have ALOT more when it's lowered as the wheel will also camber more... so you can get away with alot more than you're thinking.

what's your bolt pattern? 4x114.3?

[firelizard]

4x100

good to know about the camber allowing for room - and I think Megan lower links will allow more negative camber, but this platform is a mystery to most people in North America so it's trial and error mostly etc.

Besides, remember I'm not going for max lip - that's a waste of time on this platform - just very flush fitment with a modest lip if it's the right style

[gmckey]

4x100

Besides, remember I'm not going for max lip - that's a waste of time on this platform - just very flush fitment with a modest lip if it's the right style

4x100 is hard to find wheels not in civic rota sizes... but, if you're going to go for it, do it right!!! here's an example:

Great fit for daily driveable height, low but not undriveable... camber is also not extreme as well, probably not more than 2.5/3* f and even less rear...
18x8 +20
18x9 +27
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m111/Thingsforsale17/NS040.jpg

for comparison:

18x8.5 et+54 front (same as 8+48)
18x8.5 et+18 rear (same as 9+24)
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/calitri808/honda/ray014.jpg

See how much sunk the rear wheel is even though it's a lower offset? Lots of camber, the 2nd car could even probably fit 25mm spacer in the rear (9+0) with that camber!!!


This is when most Honda Accord people run 18x7.5+40 or something ya know?

PUSH THE ENVELOPE!!!!

You could go alot more conservative than I'm saying and still get away with 8+20 F 8+0 R or something... something ALOT aggressive than those Works...

[SPYblack]

clean ass accord bro..

[viplife]

How much pulling of the fenders does it take to gain 35mm of clearance?
Does anyone have an example of a pull to gain a similar amount?

same question for 42mm?

Hm, you may be right, I may have been underestimating the room I have.

However, I'm fairly certain a 9" wide wheel would hit the strut, and those offsets are too aggressive for this car. xBs can get away with some pretty bad ass fitments, but BHA Proteges are notoriously weak for inner fender space.

I just ran out to measure and folding the rear fender lip would yield an extra 20mm, about the same in front and there's maybe 5-10mm clearance from the unfolded lip with the stock wheels, so we're at 25-30mm of play so far. The car has flat fender edges so if I'm not mistaken, a long pull would be tricky - I personally don't think I could get way with more than 15 or 20mm of pull for a max of 50mm extra clearance, and I feel that's pretty generous even though it's just a rough estimation.

The good thing is, that it's pretty difficult to drop the BHA enough to tuck the tire on 17 or even 18" wheels, so that could allow some escape from rubbing.

But anyways, I may be (I hope I am) totally off too. I'll post some photos later tonight showing what I've got to work with

Edit: here are photos I took
This shows how much of a pull the additional clearance would be, including rolling the lip


the fender can be "pulled" 35mm, but would require cutting, stretching, and reshaping from the underside.

decreasing the amount of "pull" required can be offset with lots of negative camber, and covering only the tire, vs tucking the lip in.

a plan of attack/final look should be laid out before you start modifying the fender.