You guys saying japan roads are great...

[Yokotas13]

fuck you they arent

gotta buy aero and downpipe nad midpipe now....for sure
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1435/827364018_1e1152de6b.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1083/826496361_23222d2671.jpg
yeah thats supposed to be parallel
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1252/827363704_ea9148216b.jpg
bumper is cracked, well broke in 3 places
i left it

[Caoboy]

Ouch. Sorry to see that happen. You may want to change the wording of your title/thread though...

[Yokotas13]

yeah, your right
but i dont think i can edit it
i think a mod does

i was still kinda pissed

[{-.-}]

You think your roads are bad mine are worse........snow country. I dont have expressways to get from one place to another all side roads.

You wanted an insurnace aero kit so I guess it sooner then later.

[jubei07]

Ouch...sorry to hear about that. Are the exhaust repairable, supposed to be parallel right? Well I guess upgraded downpipe and midpipe (maybe, - silencer) will help with HP and clearance.

[PANCAKES!]

DAMN!!! SUCKKKSSSS!!!
Makes me feel a little better about where I live!
Ummmm yea, maybe air would have been a good choice in this case!
:shrug:

[jubei07]

Maybe Circuit Sports makes a downpipe for your application. They make a downpipe for 180sx/silvia that is flattened out for clearance.

:Off subject: It would be tight if they made headers for Y33 like this, then we wouldn't have to worry about the catalytic convertors dragging on everything.

[speedaddict]

DAMN!!! SUCKKKSSSS!!!
Makes me feel a little better about where I live!
Ummmm yea, maybe air would have been a good choice in this case!
:shrug::werd2:

[implayaz_9]

damm that sucks.. did u just leave that on the side of the road?..lol..

[elpresidente]

AIRSUS

[Damicci]

How'd that happen?

[zion_97]

Sorry to hear that Grant..Sucks cause I know you probably were busy with other things than to have to worry about this now..Well like {-.-} its time for the insurance kit..

[DaygoVIP619]

i think it's time for the air suspension first before you get another kit. you'll just end up

damaging the kit again. :pat:

[RaCinStylez]

damn man, sorry to hear that. I say get some air suspesion now.

[zion_97]

wiate waite a second, after thinking about it a while I thought what would air do for him? He likes to ride low so I am sure if he had air he would be riding at the same hight or lower and this would have still happend. Especially at the speeds he rolls at There is not enough reaction time to raise your car if you see a pot whole or a bump...

[Googookid]

Gee sorry to hear that bro...at least the roads in Japan r still better than in Malaysia....that I can guarantee

[Kohinoor]

ouch :(

[Yokotas13]

yeah, air wouldnt have helped int his situation
Honestly, shit happens
it was 100% caused by my exhaust
the Y32 angle where it bolts up to the midpipe was weird, so it hung down further than it should
no big deal
ill buy a new midpipe
cut and weld ta flange so it sits up another 2 inches and ill be golden

Im trying to find someone to do some YAJ fgor me right now
and ill do the Gran tourismo front end and insurance kit

[estima_couture]

this isnt the best place i know, but what do you actually do for a living in japan? im positive its military but ya never know.

[Yokotas13]

yeah, military

[AutofashionFred]

So funny that people think that by watching a VIP video where they film on nice roads thats what Japan looks like HAHAHA!!!!! Thank you for saying something about it because my cousins in Osaka was suppose to send me a picture of how the other roads are really messed up. Sorry for what happend to your car. Its happen 1 time with one of my cars in japan and i still didnt have them send it out to get fixed!!!!!!

[estima_couture]

are people in japan just that much more dedicated to being totally badass low-down than everyone else? i can imagine scenes of bumpers and midpipes scattered around bumps and dips in common roads.

[zion_97]

that actually would make for a great photoshoot...I can see it now. An old tokya ghost town with vip parts laying around and no cars to claim them..

Cant speak for everyone but I think that folks in Japan are just more dedicated to what they do than folks in the US. Have you seen the Japanese Cholo crowed? thats a perfect example of what I am saying..They go all out. Seems like it to me that is.....................

[{-.-}]

The roads are clean most of the time....... you dont see stuff laying around. Now you drive offroad junk everywhere.

Begin of spring ALL the kids in Elem school walk around the area picking up trash.

Main thing is some roads we just avoid......... Grant most likey was on a road he wasnt familiar with.

[Dominik]

are people in japan just that much more dedicated to being totally badass low-down than everyone else? i can imagine scenes of bumpers and midpipes scattered around bumps and dips in common roads.

Thats the point i have been trying to get across, and its the reason i give so much respect to people who ride low on coilovers. From what i can understand from the mags and websites, being low on coilovers is considered the "hardcore" option and gets maximum respect...

[zion_97]

Thats the point i have been trying to get across, and its the reason i give so much respect to people who ride low on coilovers. From what i can understand from the mags and websites, being low on coilovers is considered the "hardcore" option and gets maximum respect...
I like the way you phrase that..because I am trying to get my car as low as I can with as much camber as I can withstand..I want to roll the way I park...I would not mind air over my coilovers for speed bumps and steep driveways :) something I have noticed as well in the mags is those on air and have rolling shots are slammed really low as well...there not rolling 4x4..I think that alot of folks who end up getting air and not all PANCAKES..lol....end up rolling high and parkng low. Just an observation I have noticed with folks around here locally...allways messing with there switches at the lights and then when its green up they go to 4x4 stance and roll out..just like a transformer...lol

[estima_couture]

another worthwhile question i think...

does japan have speedbumps? and i dont mean rumble strips, but big honkin mountains like a lot of places in the US?

and although im sure they have humps of some sort, whats their abundance/frequency?

[AME_VIP]

Damn that is brutal.

VIPlife said it best when he said he parks blocks away and walks.

[bippU!]

shiatsu! thats brutal.
thats a pic i did not want to see . . . . sorry for your loss.

[speedaddict]

I guess if I had faster access to bodykits instead of waiting 2-3 months and paying a lot more for them, I'd be down to ride that low on coilovers....

[dvp]

Thats the point i have been trying to get across, and its the reason i give so much respect to people who ride low on coilovers. From what i can understand from the mags and websites, being low on coilovers is considered the "hardcore" option and gets maximum respect...

its funny, I would be rolling on coilovers myself, but the ride quality issue would drive my wife crazy. So air keeps women happy and I have the option of on the fly adjustibiltiy.

D.

[VIP-UCF]

there are shitty roads all over the place...gotta pay to play...sooner or later, we all deal with shit like this...

[VIP-UCF]

Thats the point i have been trying to get across, and its the reason i give so much respect to people who ride low on coilovers. From what i can understand from the mags and websites, being low on coilovers is considered the "hardcore" option and gets maximum respect...


that may be true but common sense MUST come into play sometime...personally, there's no way i can get away with coilovers...i'd have to park on the street everyday or make ramps with 2x4's when i leave and come home...it's not like i can just pack up and move to another house and wah-lah, problem solved. Personally, i give more props to people on air than coilovers...

[zion_97]

I was thinking about getting some quick mix and making some permanet bumps where I need them ...I would only need something about 1.5" high at the most...

I give props to those on Coilovers/Air sus......

[Yokotas13]

The roads are clean most of the time....... you dont see stuff laying around. Now you drive offroad junk everywhere.

Begin of spring ALL the kids in Elem school walk around the area picking up trash.

Main thing is some roads we just avoid......... Grant most likey was on a road he wasnt familiar with.
Bingo
i noramlly know the routes i go
traffic was horrible, so i took a side street
it was all my fault no doubt about it

[Yokotas13]

another worthwhile question i think...

does japan have speedbumps? and i dont mean rumble strips, but big honkin mountains like a lot of places in the US?

and although im sure they have humps of some sort, whats their abundance/frequency?
fuck yes they do
and htey are huge around here
i scrape my skirts all teh time

[Yokotas13]

another worthwhile question i think...

does japan have speedbumps? and i dont mean rumble strips, but big honkin mountains like a lot of places in the US?

and although im sure they have humps of some sort, whats their abundance/frequency?
you know what
this weekend
ill take the 20 minute video of my drive to work so you can really see what it is like
with the anti shake shit off

that way everyone can actually see waht a normal size city deals with
tokyo roads are great, but everythign else sucks

[Yokotas13]

that may be true but common sense MUST come into play sometime...personally, there's no way i can get away with coilovers...i'd have to park on the street everyday or make ramps with 2x4's when i leave and come home...it's not like i can just pack up and move to another house and wah-lah, problem solved. Personally, i give more props to people on air than coilovers...
thtas ass backwards?
give props to someone that can overcome anything with the push of a button?

DOnt get me wrong
i WILL have air by the end of summer
but not so i can ride high
so i can ride even lower, i just want t be able to get in my driveway without scraping.
but hey, if i have to park on the street then so be it
if thats what it takes to make my car something that Nihon-jin will stop and ask me about (oh yes, it has happened the day i got my wheels on) then that makes me proud.
It makes me happy that i go through the same things they do, I get respect from the local shops i go to VS other military becuase i do all my stuff myself, and they have seen the progression of all my cars.
For me, going VIP is immersing myself further into the japanese culture. It has allowed me to meet more JP than any other car ive driven.
Its like it Demands more respect...

[VIP-UCF]

whatever turns you on buddy...

I think having air (when installed properly and clean) takes a lot more custom work than just throwing on some coilovers, which can be done in a couple hours. if that means saving a body kit or preventing something shitty happening with a push of a button, then so be it. a penny saved is a penny earned.

so you rather park on the street and have people respect you, rather than being on air and SAFELY get in your driveway everyday? that's just retarded.

i think most people on this forum would rather be on air than coilovers anyday of the week if we all had a choice. your notion of being on coilovers for the sake of more respect by others is nonsense to me.

i tihnk you're ass backwards buddy :)

[Yokotas13]

Like i said
IM getting air anyways, but its not so i can ride out of harms way
Im only going to have it set up so it goes an inch or si higher than i drive, so i can get by with barely scraping

i have had coilovers for years, i love riding low to begin with, it just doenst look right with fender gap at all

[VIP-UCF]

IM getting air, but its not so i can ride out of harms way

Im only going to have it set up so it goes an inch higher than i drive, so i can get by with barely scraping

sounds like avoiding harms way to me :biggthumpup:

[Dominik]

that may be true but common sense MUST come into play sometime...personally, there's no way i can get away with coilovers...i'd have to park on the street everyday or make ramps with 2x4's when i leave and come home...it's not like i can just pack up and move to another house and wah-lah, problem solved. Personally, i give more props to people on air than coilovers...

But thats the whole point to me... Taking an expensive luxury car, and making it so it can only go on super flat roads, bumpy and inconvenient. Of course its not practical, and lacks common sense; but that means the owner is making sacrifices "for the style".


For me, going VIP is immersing myself further into the japanese culture. It has allowed me to meet more JP than any other car ive driven.
Thats awesome. I'm already planning my november trip with some Minkara buddies, I love meeting Japanese people who would otherwise not have anything to do with foreigners.






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Of course for my own ride there is a limit to how much i can sacrifice.
I cannot go any lower unless i modify the driveway (wooden access ramps would get stolen in the first night), or park on the street (same problem, things go missing alot in this area).

And my gf already dislikes the ride in my car

But she prefers it to my last car on factory air - going around corners at snails pace to avoid the sideskirt scraping the ground, major scrubbing when going over undulations, then finally being stranded in my driveway for 3 months because i couldnt find a replacement air strut...

If i can get proof that aftermarket air wont be anything like that, at the driving height I want (i.e. at least 2" off my current height), then maybe i would consider air again... Right now i like knowing exactly what height i am at, and knowing that it will ALWAYS be that height, not having to worry if an airline/bag/valve will break and leave me stranded

[VIP-UCF]

what kind of bags did you have on your old ride dominik? i was really sketchy about getting bags at first too but i love them...it's hard to see myself going back to coilover unless money was an issue...and even if it was, i would prolly save up for a few more months and make sure i get something i'm happy with...

[Dominik]

Factory air on a Y31 Cima, and before that Factory air on a UZZ31 Soarer. At first i thought it was the ducks nuts, but after a few incidents i felt i couldnt trust airbags.

Both cars would sometimes randomly change height while driving. Easily seen on the height monitor, but you dont want to be looking at that all the time.

Then the front right strut in the Cima POPPED while i was sitting in my driveway. Replacement was a nightmare, and then i was constantly worried if another one would pop

[Yokotas13]

sounds like avoiding harms way to me :biggthumpup:
but that doesnt mean im going to ride any higher
most likely i will be lower....

[Yokotas13]

But thats the whole point to me... Taking an expensive luxury car, and making it so it can only go on super flat roads, bumpy and inconvenient. Of course its not practical, and lacks common sense; but that means the owner is making sacrifices "for the style".



Thats awesome. I'm already planning my november trip with some Minkara buddies, I love meeting Japanese people who would otherwise not have anything to do with foreigners.






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Of course for my own ride there is a limit to how much i can sacrifice.
I cannot go any lower unless i modify the driveway (wooden access ramps would get stolen in the first night), or park on the street (same problem, things go missing alot in this area).

And my gf already dislikes the ride in my car

But she prefers it to my last car on factory air - going around corners at snails pace to avoid the sideskirt scraping the ground, major scrubbing when going over undulations, then finally being stranded in my driveway for 3 months because i couldnt find a replacement air strut...

If i can get proof that aftermarket air wont be anything like that, at the driving height I want (i.e. at least 2" off my current height), then maybe i would consider air again... Right now i like knowing exactly what height i am at, and knowing that it will ALWAYS be that height, not having to worry if an airline/bag/valve will break and leave me stranded

thats why im using UAS bags

I can ALWAYS keep a spring in the back of my car in the spare tire well, and i always carry around a toolbox 98% of time
so it would only be a matter of an hour on the side of the road to pop a spring in
even less at my house.

[Caoboy]

that's good thinking right there, always keeping backup suspension in the car lol. I like my coilovers, but honestly i'd rather have bags. It can go so much lower if needed/wanted, and you don't ALWAYS have to ride so low. Sometimes it's just a hassle, especially if the roads you know you have to take are so shitty, that it makes you not even want to go around that area anymore.

[DaygoVIP619]

i just got my car back from getting the UAS kit installed and i ride just 1/2''-1'' higher than all slam and thats still tucking with no gap. i picked bags instead of coilovers because its kind of dumb to fuck up your kit and have everything else falling off just because you want to ride low forever.

[Yokotas13]

eh, my front bumper is high enough not to take anythign out
im worried about the rest of the undercarraige

[Big Steve]

why not just put a roberta cup on your current coilovers? so you can ride lower, but yet raise it an inch or 2 when needed. yes, i agree. riding low all the time is dope and gets mad props. but whats that gonna do when your exhaust and bumper is laying on someones street and you gotta pay to fix it? just a thought. i love riding low as well, but sometimes i just gotta hit that switch and raise it up for the sake of my pocket book. haha. nonetheless, good luck with your project.

[estima_couture]

with an air cup, wouldnt you have to shorten the length of the spring to compensate?

[zion_97]

were do you find roberta cups? I am actually interested.

[Yokotas13]

why not just put a roberta cup on your current coilovers? so you can ride lower, but yet raise it an inch or 2 when needed. yes, i agree. riding low all the time is dope and gets mad props. but whats that gonna do when your exhaust and bumper is laying on someones street and you gotta pay to fix it? just a thought. i love riding low as well, but sometimes i just gotta hit that switch and raise it up for the sake of my pocket book. haha. nonetheless, good luck with your project.
all honesty
cost
they cost more than a UAS setup on my coilovers.

top secret makes the cups
bold world makes hte cups
and a few other places

[Big Steve]

ahh. ic. just a thought since your in japan so you can get parts a bit easier than us in the states.

[Yokotas13]

I can get it readily
but cost is a different story

almost nothing in japan is cheaper than the US
except CERTAIN aero (BN sports is cheaper Stateside)
WHeels always
Brakes
Sometimes suspension
garson stuff
JP stuff
and very rarely electrionics
i can count on one hand the parts ive gotten for each car from Here and i need a list for what i get from the states

Gauges, engine parts, coilovers noramlly, CD/dvd players
are all cheaper in the states

[elpresidente]

were do you find roberta cups? I am actually interested.
ROBERUTA (http://www.roberuta.com/)

I don't think the cup kit will do enough for you. It's not much difference especially if you plan to run low which I know for a fact you do. This is the difference on a 360 that wasn't even low in the first place:
http://www.reckless.co.jp/modify/img_parts/251_2l.jpg

[Dominik]

It doesnt look like much, but 2" higher would mean 2" lower on my regular ride height. Normal = Slammed. Raised = quite low

But the hideous cost of those cups makes it nothing but a fantasy. I remember Lorin talking about being able to make the cups for around $100 each, but he didnt elaborate more than that...

[Yokotas13]

but for the price
UAS on coilovers is the way to go in my book

[TransformCelsior]

dominik,

how long ago did you have these cars with bags ?

I understand your frustration, but I'm sure air runner and UAS have come up with higher quality parts and latest technology that may avoid problems you had.

[TransformCelsior]

sorry to see that yokotas.

I've said this time and time again, a thick ass body kit with non air suspension = suicide for your bodykit.

[Dominik]

dominik,

how long ago did you have these cars with bags ?

I understand your frustration, but I'm sure air runner and UAS have come up with higher quality parts and latest technology that may avoid problems you had.

Both of the cars were older models (an '89, and a '93), and the problem was that they just werent designed to be driven down low. At standard height, the air suspension was great, but when you lower the PSI to get the car lower, it starts going pear shaped.

This is why i keep asking people to post vids or pics at drive height... because i want to see how aftermarket air reacts when you are driving low. If it is anything like OEM air, then it will be floaty, and out of control.



I see there being 2 types of people who get air: The ones who want to roll low occasionally & park low, without the inconvenience of a lowered car (seems to be the majority)

and then there are the ones who want to roll low 23:59/7, and they have reached the limits of their current coil setup


I fall into the latter, so i couldn't care less about how it looks 'slammed', because thats not how I would be driving. I am more interested how it drives when you have 1" clearance under the chassis (about an inch lower than i ride on coilovers). Right now I dont know how bags can control a heavy car like mine with that much precision.

I am very keen to see how Grant goes with UAS bags, since he seems to have the same attitude (though he rolls lower!! haha)

[Yokotas13]

as soon as money permits i will be getting hte UAS setup

i was going to order it like next week, but since this aero thing happened i cant do it now.

it should be in the next few months though

[Googookid]

The last time I went to Tokyo the roads looked ok for me....no complains...

[Dominik]

I've been to Japan and malaysia, and i agree Malaysia is alot worse! But everyone seems to think Japan has NO road problems, because they see low cars and dont realise that the owners have to make sacrifices...

[Yokotas13]

The last time I went to Tokyo the roads looked ok for me....no complains...

tokyo is not japan

only a small part of japan

[jzz30tt]

You know, even though we've had our differences, I have respect for u driving low as shit every day... that's whats up.

Now if you could just convince people in the US to do the same haha.

[jzz30tt]

I've been to Japan and malaysia, and i agree Malaysia is alot worse! But everyone seems to think Japan has NO road problems, because they see low cars and dont realise that the owners have to make sacrifices...

Yea, that's somethign US drivers have a big problem with aparently. Just learn how to dirve differently and not go 40mph into your driveway and you'll be fine. Ahwell i guess some people like fender gap ? ;-)