flipping the face...

[shawnthemonster]

ok so i mentioned this in another thread, but what would be the pros and cons of taking a wheel polishing the inner lip and flipping the face to get more lip?

[CHUPACABRIO]

aside from having 80% of your wheel now on the outside?

[callaghan.]

i hope you're joking. or drunk. or high.

[137]

it would switch the offset of course, if you had a +25 it would be a -25, if you had a 0 it would stay the same, its all relative.in doing this with a relatively high offset, say +42 flipped to -42, the only con i see is the the work for the massive widebody or flares you would need, but that is what comes with negative offsets to begin with in most cases. but with a lower offset to start with, say +5 flipped to -5, the difference is relatively minimal.

[Phucanese]

it would switch the offset of course, if you had a +25 it would be a -25, if you had a 0 it would stay the same, its all relative.in doing this with a relatively high offset, say +42 flipped to -42, the only con i see is the the work for the massive widebody or flares you would need, but that is what comes with negative offsets to begin with in most cases. but with a lower offset to start with, say +5 flipped to -5, the difference is relatively minimal.

not true about the reverse offset change.
it depends on where the face is mounted and where the mating surface is on the back of the face.
got this from another forum. the wheels are 13x7 with +2 offset.
once flipped, its like -40 offset... :smitten:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/ae101slideways/Ae86/IMG_0521.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/ae101slideways/Ae86/IMG_0522.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/ae101slideways/Ae86/IMG_0514.jpg
the only cons for this...
cant really put air in the tires unless you reach around the wheel.
but is possible to fix that, just reroute the valve. or fill the old hole, and cut a new hole on the other side.

[shoez]

I think that would be the awesomest damned thing i have seen. What wheels were you thinking of using, sean?

[firelizard]

Old news, hot rodders have been doing this for a long time.
That beetle in the euro section appears to have reversed face wheels.

[bBOXD]

WOW!

[viplife]

the only cons for this...
cant really put air in the tires unless you reach around the wheel.
but is possible to fix that, just reroute the valve. or fill the old hole, and cut a new hole on the other side.


the solution to use the existing hole and run a 90 degree, long valve stem, or weld up the hole in the old barrell and drill a new one on the front, like i did.

here are some centers that i had flipped back in 2002.* took me a while to find the pictures.

http://www.angrylife.com/temp/flipped_centers_01.jpg

http://www.angrylife.com/temp/flipped_centers_02.jpg

[Pagong]

Looks like flipping it gives you the stepped lip as well...looks nice.

Hey Shawn you planning on flipping your wheels?

[callaghan.]

am i the only one that finds this ghetto???

[137]

not true about the reverse offset change.
it depends on where the face is mounted and where the mating surface is on the back of the face.
got this from another forum. the wheels are 13x7 with +2 offset.
once flipped, its like -40 offset...* :smitten:


that may be so, depending on how the wheel is made.

[OnTop]

am i the only one that finds this ghetto???


umm i believe so.

i think its a great concept to build a true bozo

[irax]

it would switch the offset of course, if you had a +25 it would be a -25, if you had a 0 it would stay the same, its all relative.in doing this with a relatively high offset, say +42 flipped to -42, the only con i see is the the work for the massive widebody or flares you would need, but that is what comes with negative offsets to begin with in most cases. but with a lower offset to start with, say +5 flipped to -5, the difference is relatively minimal.


*edit* some one did point it out :-p ohh well
Ok uhhhh I dont think any one pointed this out, but it doesnt work like this. Offset is determined from spaceing of the the rotor to center of the wheel. And alot of times the face itself is not flat. Honestly your better off investing into having new barrels made.

Example, the Espiler meshies for the SA22/FB RX7 offset on these are +25, but if you flip the face it becomes -65 offset.

here is what it will look like with a scarab style wide body kit

http://tanetane92.web.infoseek.co.jp/057811.jpg

http://tanetane92.web.infoseek.co.jp/057831.jpg

[AME_VIP]

Whoa those are nice viplife

So why exactly to they not have exactly the same offset except negative when you flip them?

Damn those ares some big rear fenders!

[callaghan.]

umm i believe so.

i think its a great concept to build a true bozo



yeah but you can just have wheels custom built with the same offset, and it will be designed to be used like that

[nezumimaru]

flipping looks really amazing!
is this only possible for multi-piece wheels?
I wonder how much it's gonna cost...

[suspended]

my only concern would be the safety issue, but honestly can't see it being unsafe honestly as long as they're balanced correctly and all the studs are tigthtened down ???

[Phucanese]

flipping looks really amazing!
is this only possible for multi-piece wheels?
I wonder how much it's gonna cost...

this is only for multi-piece wheels. but there is a trick that somepeople do,
cut the barrell of the wheel in half, and add material in between and reweld.
or cut the face out and move it to the desired possition and reweld.

Whoa those are nice viplife

So why exactly to they not have exactly the same offset except negative when you flip them?

Damn those ares some big rear fenders!

its sorta hard to explain, but if you look at the backside of the wheel, you'll understand.
the only possible way for a wheel to have a flipped offset (+25 to -25) is if the face
of the wheel and where it mounts to is paper thin. and thats not gonna happen.

because the face has thickness to it, and so does the rim where the face is mounted to the barrell.
but the thing that changes the offset the most is where the wheels are mounted to the break hub.
most wheels have a thick (usually around 1 inch) space where the lugs would sit inside of.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/ae101slideways/Ae86/IMG_0521.jpg
look at the stock wheel on the right, and where it is mounted on the barrell. only like 1 inch lip.
but what you dont see is the back of the face. just say that the face, and backing is 1 inch thick.
once you flip it, that 1 inch backing will sit where the 1 inch lip is, and the other side is the new lip.

i dont know if this make sense, really hard to explain without looking at a wheel.

[callaghan.]

ok..does anyone not see how a wheel is not designed for this? you're putting so much pressure on a small part of thwe wheel..which is also the wrong edge. wheels are made how they are on purpose.

[OnTop]

just as long as there is a good tire patch directly under the mounting surface is good with me IMO

[byhi]

I see what your saying about it not being designed to do this but you wouldn't be doing this on a +45 offest. You have to think about not in extremes but in real world examples. Its not like you are only puttin stress on the very outer lip. You are putting it everywhere still. Also it would polly be a good idea to look up the sizes and offsets of a wheels that you do this too and see if they make it in the other offset that you are about to create. If they do then it's even safer. If not, just be careful.

[OnTop]

think back to our ''extreme camber'' likes. what do you think neg camber does to a wheel/tire?? it concetrates the wieght all on the inside of the tire patch.

[callaghan.]

yes, but u dont roll like that. when parked it is ok, but rolling and hitting bumps and turning on extreme camber is asking for shit to get broke.

[shoez]

^Dude, VIP Style is form over function... You dont change your camber just for a show, then return to normal. When you add tons of negative camber, stretch tires or flip wheel faces, you know that you are running a risk of something breaking, but you do it for the sake of the culture, not your personal safety. :-\

[callaghan.]

^Dude, VIP Style is form over function... You dont change your camber just for a show, then return to normal. When you add tons of negative camber, stretch tires or flip wheel faces, you know that you are running a risk of something breaking, but you do it for the sake of the culture, not your personal safety. :-\


what your saying doesnt make alot of sense to me. i was referring to airride anyways. ive always a thought a true vipcar had function as well as form...whats the point of doing anything if u cant use it?

[jzz30tt]

ok..does anyone not see how a wheel is not designed for this? you're putting so much pressure on a small part of thwe wheel..which is also the wrong edge. wheels are made how they are on purpose.


You're starting to sound like fagkdesigns. Stop bitching about something you don't know much about.

[callaghan.]

You're starting to sound like fagkdesigns. Stop bitching about something you don't know much about.



HAHA...dont know much about?? my job is selling wheels and helping customers build cars. i must know nothing about any of it tho, since i think using wheels backwards is a bad idea and a cheap, ghetto alternative to having custom wheels built.

[firelizard]

HAHA...dont know much about?? my job is selling wheels and helping customers build cars. i must know nothing about any of it tho, since i think using wheels backwards is a bad idea and a cheap, ghetto alternative to having custom wheels built.

I'm not saying this is you, but if I had a time for every story I've heard about a tire shop that refused to stretch, or a mech that refuse to camber, because they didn't get it...

[Xotic sC]

i think using wheels backwards is a cheap, ghetto alternative to having custom wheels built.


I concur.

[One Ton VIP]

If you are going to work with wheels day in and day out, then you must learn that a wheel barrel is a wheel barrel is a wheel barrel. Rim halves are rim halves are rim halves. If you've heard the term reverse lip, then you must realize that, even though it refers to a smooth outer lip (in lieu of a stepped lip), it comes from the fact that within the past decade wheel companies have been making smaller "smooth lips" (i.e. the inside lip), and wider outside lips (i.e. the stepped lip) so that they can be mounted with the smooth side out for aesthetics, and with the stepped side-which has the drop center to aid in tire mounting-on the inside. It doesn't matter which side you run any lip... as long as you have a drop center... i.e. you can't run two reversed, smooth lips. But so flipping a wheel center does nothing to affect the structural integrity, nor the functionality of a wheel. And in most cases, the tire valve hole isn't even a concern... lots of wheels nowadays have the tire valve hole on the inside lip already, and use a long, 90deg valve stem that pokes through the wheel center. So when you flip the lips, the tire valve hole is on the now outside lip, and you can just attach a normal short, straight valve stem. And if you started with a wheel with the valve stem hole on the outside lip, after flipping, you use the long, 90deg valve stem. wheel flipping is a common operation that's been practiced for decades.

[eurospec]

Callaghan, I have grown to like you but it seems like you open your mouth just a bit too soon and fall back upon this 'job' which reflects poorly on your work. Oneton is right. I am sure there are misconseptions out there, but being a guy who works on multipiece wheels everyday I can promise you that the change in structural integrity of 'flipping the face' is zil. Like oneton said, a barrel is a barrel, a face is a face.





HAHA...dont know much about?? my job is selling wheels and helping customers build cars. i must know nothing about any of it tho, since i think using wheels backwards is a bad idea and a cheap, ghetto alternative to having custom wheels built.



If you are going to work with wheels day in and day out, then you must learn that a wheel barrel is a wheel barrel is a wheel barrel. Rim halves are rim halves are rim halves. If you've heard the term reverse lip, then you must realize that, even though it refers to a smooth outer lip (in lieu of a stepped lip), it comes from the fact that within the past decade wheel companies have been making smaller "smooth lips" (i.e. the inside lip), and wider outside lips (i.e. the stepped lip) so that they can be mounted with the smooth side out for aesthetics, and with the stepped side-which has the drop center to aid in tire mounting-on the inside. It doesn't matter which side you run any lip... as long as you have a drop center... i.e. you can't run two reversed, smooth lips. But so flipping a wheel center does nothing to affect the structural integrity, nor the functionality of a wheel. And in most cases, the tire valve hole isn't even a concern... lots of wheels nowadays have the tire valve hole on the inside lip already, and use a long, 90deg valve stem that pokes through the wheel center. So when you flip the lips, the tire valve hole is on the now outside lip, and you can just attach a normal short, straight valve stem. And if you started with a wheel with the valve stem hole on the outside lip, after flipping, you use the long, 90deg valve stem. wheel flipping is a common operation that's been practiced for decades.

[callaghan.]

Callaghan, I have grown to like you but it seems like you open your mouth just a bit too soon and fall back upon this 'job' which reflects poorly on your work. Oneton is right. I am sure there are misconseptions out there, but being a guy who works on multipiece wheels everyday I can promise you that the change in structural integrity of 'flipping the face' is zil. Like oneton said, a barrel is a barrel, a face is a face.






i agree...bringing my job up is a pretty dumb thing to do, i just dont appreciate when people say something about a person and dont know anything about them. I see what you guys mean about wheel barrels being wheel barrels. Asanti is making us a set of 20's for an impreza we're working on that are pretty much flipped wheels, but built correctly. Getting them to build them for us like that was a bittttch and they refused to at first, but we said we dont care if they dont think its "safe". I hate how when i put in my 2 cents it somehow escalates into an argument like this, i really dont mean for it to end up like this. I just feel flipping is rather cheesy and for a car that will be driven alot, it doesnt seem like a good idea.

ps..are they running super-extended lugs to compensate for the distance lugnuts are sunk into the wheel?

[Phucanese]

ps..are they running super-extended lugs to compensate for the distance lugnuts are sunk into the wheel?

no.
look at a wheel, the lug holes are not stationary and stay at the same place.
they are on the face of the wheels, once you flip the face, the lug holes go along.

not to sound rude, but i thought you sold wheels for a living...
have you ever looked at the back of a wheel before?

[callaghan.]

no.
look at a wheel, the lug holes are not stationary and stay at the same place.
they are on the face of the wheels, once you flip the face, the lug holes go along.

not to sound rude, but i thought you sold wheels for a living...
have you ever looked at the back of a wheel before?


no ive never seen the back of a wheel before...iwas talking about wheels in general, most have sunken lugs

[AME_VIP]

I agree this may not be VIP but it sure is cool. :smitten:

I don't see why you "don't think its a good idea for a car that's driven a lot"

You sound like my local tire shops who are afraid of anything different because they have no experience doing it.

[callaghan.]

I agree this may not be VIP but it sure is cool. :smitten:

I don't see why you "don't think its a good idea for a car that's driven a lot"

You sound like my local tire shops who are afraid of anything different because they have no experience doing it.


hahah no im not afraid...we've done much more crazier shit. i dunno, i just think its sketchy haha.

[carlos]

callaghan... i think u might be a bit confused. you can only do this on mulit-piece wheels. when you flip the face... the spokes will look the same on the car but the inside barrel is now on the outside. therefore, the mounting of the lug nuts stays the same.

[Xotic sC]

callaghan... i think u might be a bit confused. you can only do this on mulit-piece wheels. when you flip the face... the spokes will look the same on the car but the inside barrel is now on the outside. therefore, the mounting of the lug nuts stays the same.


I think you are the one who is confused...? ???

[suspended]

no, car lost is right, the mounting bad will remain the same on the wheel ;)

[Xotic sC]

no I mean the fact that callaghan knows they're multi-pieced rims.

[One Ton VIP]

ohhhhhh shit! Ok I get it now... this whole time callaghan thought people were talking about just mounting a whole wheel backwards... i.e. remove wheel from car, flip the whole thing around 180deg, and then bolting it back in place.
Yah, that's not what flipping the centers means...

[firelizard]

ohhhhhh s***! Ok I get it now... this whole time callaghan thought people were talking about just mounting a whole wheel backwards... i.e. remove wheel from car, flip the whole thing around 180deg, and then bolting it back in place.
Yah, that's not what flipping the centers means...

Ohh, hehe..
I did that with the steelies on my mom's old Crown Vic while the car was jacked up.

[OnTop]

ohhhhhh s***! Ok I get it now... this whole time callaghan thought people were talking about just mounting a whole wheel backwards... i.e. remove wheel from car, flip the whole thing around 180deg, and then bolting it back in place.
Yah, that's not what flipping the centers means...


callaghan, did you really think that??

[callaghan.]

hahaha fuck i feel a like a retard. yeah, i honestly did think this. ive never heard of it being done before so iwas like WTF??? godammit. haha

[AME_VIP]

:D
ahhh that makes sense now.
pics of those reverse mounted sleelies firelizard !! ha

[firelizard]

:D
ahhh that makes sense now.* *
pics of those reverse mounted sleelies firelizard !! ha

haha, I wish I'd thought of that at the time. The Crown Vic is long gone :-\
Maybe I should take some pics of the steelies (aka rusties) on my Protege reverse mounted ;D

[OnTop]

have you guys seen the trash can wheel?
there like 18" of lip

[carlos]

wtf, damn. is that for real? i'd love to see someone fit that on there car.

[shoez]

Nawwww.... that cant just be a flipped face. Its just like 18'' wide, you can see the edge of the chromed lip at the bottom of the picture. But thats still damned ridiculous!!!

[Ender-DI]

That wheel + -6deg camber = win!

Ok, maybe not, but that would be a sight! :D

[ImBox]

think back to our ''extreme camber'' likes. what do you think neg camber does to a wheel/tire?? it concetrates the wieght all on the inside of the tire patch.



yes, but u dont roll like that. when parked it is ok, but rolling and hitting bumps and turning on extreme camber is asking for s*** to get broke.



I hate to bring up a post that has seemed to have died but a comment was made earlier that we dont drive on neg camber because air ride causes the neg camber..... I know I ride with -6 camber in the rear which I also know is not much compared to what some are running.... Form over function.. yes my tires will wear down quicker than an uncambered car but not as bad as long as the toe is corrected.... Camber can actually better the handling of a car when used properly (not the way I do) by increasing tire contact when the body rolls a little...

You know to be a tire guy you aren't smart when it comes to this ish...

[callaghan.]

I hate to bring up a post that has seemed to have died but a comment was made earlier that we dont drive on neg camber because air ride causes the neg camber..... I know I ride with -6 camber in the rear which I also know is not much compared to what some are running.... Form over function.. yes my tires will wear down quicker than an uncambered car but not as bad as long as the toe is corrected.... Camber can actually better the handling of a car when used properly (not the way I do) by increasing tire contact when the body rolls a little...

You know to be a tire guy you aren't smart when it comes to this ish...



wow, im impressed. -6 camber and u drive it?? youre a madmannnnnn. ::)

[ScottyTuned]

Ill preface to say yes... this thread is olllllllllllld. I know. Looking at possibly doing this and just wanted to see who had jumped on to this and have been rocking them. It seems like more and more people talk about flipping the face, something that wasnt quite as big for most guys in 2006. Just wanted to see who had gotten onto this. I think this will be a winter project for my car possibly with a set I have.

[widebody_Q]

Wow brings back memories lol. I wish all those members were still active.
edit I stand corrected. VW guys have been doing this for a while

[Yokotas13]

felt like i should share
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2460/3936790598_377e9d9539.jpg

[MR.J]

haha doit !!! ^^^


damm this thread is old !

[ScottyTuned]

Yea old thread indeed. I believe I was still trolling the site at the time this thread was made, and not even registered. I have a set of SSRs and a couple others I might be flipping the face on to try out. We'll see. Does anyone know if it is true that SSRs 3 piece are welded together? Im heard that, but wanted verification first.

[Yokotas13]

they have welded some of htem before. its all determined on timeframe they were built, and a few other things. take the tire off and you will know

[ScottyTuned]

Good to know! Thanks Grant. Ill have to rip the tires off one of these days. It is a set of Professors made in early 2000s. (I believe 02-03) We'll see I guess!

[flexinsteelz]

ive seen it done lots of times.. i really the look of using two inner barrels for one rim..

[BEnxD]

Do it.

http://i38.tinypic.com/28tu9gk.jpg

[MR.J]

didnt Platinum VIP do this to their first gen GS???

[JN.FYC]

Wow, this thread was super old but glad you brought it back Scotty. Definitely opens the door to old & new idea's.

[chrispy]

Yeah PMVIP has done it. It would be cool to flip mine inside out and polish the inner barrels.

[airmax]

^^you read my mind. well for your wheels anyways lol.

[ScottyTuned]

I figured bringing this back up is more effective than creating a new thread like what usually happens. It seems like all the info is spread then. Im hoping some of the guys who have done it will chime in and give tips on what to watch out for. Hopefully my Professors arent welded!

[flexinsteelz]

after looking at couple of my set of wheels, seems like it'll only work with low offset wheels, or else ur end up with a 19x10 with a -30,-40 offset if ur tryin to flip anything..

[PROJECTGS3]

didnt Platinum VIP do this to their first gen GS???


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/k24project/3538022996_032e2cbb58_b.jpg

[Yokotas13]

thats the point.....unless ur scuuuuuurd

shitty spraybomb lip and flipped bishes
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3447/3940127769_e51c285077.jpg

[ScottyTuned]

after looking at couple of my set of wheels, seems like it'll only work with low offset wheels, or else ur end up with a 19x10 with a -30,-40 offset if ur tryin to flip anything..

That is exactly what Im going for :)

[flexinsteelz]

thats the point.....unless ur scuuuuuurd

shitty spraybomb lip and flipped bishes
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3447/3940127769_e51c285077.jpg



now thats wassup rite there...

[ScottyTuned]

Good news:

Scott,

The SP1 wheels are all 3 piece construction. However the inner and outer barrels are welded together. The center is not welded to the barrel. It is secured with rivets which can be unscrewed. Please consult with your wheel shop or wheel repair place for further information.

Tanabe Racing Development USA, Inc.

From the sounds of it I can flip the face. (unless Im reading it wrong). Winter project for my SSRs it sounds like :)

[Green Poupon]

It's like a cure for high offset.

There is a world of options for my benz now. :biggthumpup:

[cheez80]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/k24project/3538022996_032e2cbb58_b.jpg

wait, my understanding is that he rebarreled the wheels -- they used to be 20", but now they're 21" with the same face. he was telling me how much more expensive 21" tires were compared to 20"s right after he did the job design makeover.

anyway, like they say, a rim half is a rim half, right? haha

[Yokotas13]

yeah, i have no clue why they did that then. car is already 4x4

[phrosttz0]

emitz with the black lips are gangster

[ScottyTuned]

I guess something I didnt know was switching face from diameter to diameter. Isnt the prescribed face size what the barrel has to be to bolt on correctly? Maybe someone can educate me on this.

[nizzan4u2nv]

I guess something I didnt know was switching face from diameter to diameter. Isnt the prescribed face size what the barrel has to be to bolt on correctly? Maybe someone can educate me on this.

From what ive seen a few times is that you can go from reverse lip to step while sizing up 1in in diameter.

Example, these were reverse 15s, now theyre step lip 16s:
http://www.hondamarketplace.com/showthread.php?t=2380328

[ScottyTuned]

Ah nice. Good to know. Learn something new everyday!

[AME_VIP]

Ahhh so to go up one size they kept the same face and used a new step lip barrel.

You really want a low offset wheel to begin with it seems. If you have 19x10 +30 it will then become 19x10 -30 or around there. But 19x10 +10 to 19x10 -10 wouldn't be nearly as extreme.

[JITb]

my front 20x9 +38, if i flip it will it be -38?

[VipDout]

epic thread , and no to the ^^ if a 13x7 -2 flipped = -40 your way off


now i see how plat. vip did it . came out saucy

[JITb]

epic thread , and no to the ^^ if a 13x7 -2 flipped = -40 your way off


now i see how plat. vip did it . came out saucy

so how would i calculate it? for flipping a 9" +38 face?

[VipDout]

I personally don't know , I just read that

take the measurement of the two offsets

[flexinsteelz]

depends on how the face is mounted...take a 3 pc apart n u know what im talkin about.

[OG]

so how would i calculate it? for flipping a 9" +38 face?
you'll have to take a pad measurment. you should be able to get a rough idea from that (face mounting will have a small effect as mentioned).

-(offset + distance from mounting flange to pad) - distance from mounting flange to pad

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc188/BLACKonBLACK98/barrel-flip.gif

as you can see you go dangerously (imo) low offset very quickly. i've calcualted some common high offset numbers and came up with the pad out of the wheel a lot.

imo, for this to work you need to have a relatively low offset (10s-20s) and a low disk to start with.

then comes the question of if it really looks good or is it just something you want to like.

[charley240sx]

yeah, +38 doesnt mean -38, maybe more in the range of -50 something, look at blkonblks diagram, flipping the face is not as easy as it seems. so a +10 doesnt =-10 more like -20 something
calculating the new offset isnt so much about hub distance, its more about wheel design, and how the disk is mounted to the barrel. thats when it starts to get tricky.
goodluck

[5t341tH]

i dont think it will look nice. since the inner barrels dont have nice lips like the outsides.
especially where the flange is

[20sburning]

I like it! I think I am going to pick up a set of BBS and try it for another project! Look for it soon!

[OG]

why flip a wheel that has readily available replacment lips?

[Yokotas13]

cheaper

[20sburning]

cheaper
thank you!

[OG]

"you get what you pay for" comes to mind. i've seen rs with barrels for lips and, while they make sick coffee tables, i would never put them on my car. that being said, to each their own. if you think it looks good go for it.

[20sburning]

Yeah... I found some with a crappy offset and I have a P.O.S. honda over at my brothers house I was thinking about slapping them onto

[OG]

crappy offset rs are the best to rebuild since you have most of the wheel behind the hub. that way when you add deeper lips you get the most width out of them (i'm real big on girth right now [no homo], even though you couldn't tell by my current wheels). you could always shoot em my way. =)

[PureDrifter]

crappy offset rs are the best to rebuild since you have most of the wheel behind the hub. that way when you add deeper lips you get the most width out of them (i'm real big on girth right now [no homo], even though you couldn't tell by my current wheels). you could always shoot em my way. =)
i just did a ton of math (and 2 measurements) and figured out that if i flipped my spare set of wheels (8.5 +35) i'll end up with 8.5 -100 with 7" solid of lip, stepped. :yahoo_24::yahoo_35:

i think i might need to give my car a mild pull.

[berlinas2k2]

seems the higher offset wheels are easier to flip, as once you flip it, the offset doesn't change as much since most high offsets +50 or more are 1 type of face.

[SoCalSC4]

Actually, lower offset wheels don't change as much if you "flip" the centers because the inner and outer barrels are closer to the same widths.

For example, a 5-series wheel 19x9 +14 with 3" outer and 6" inner
versus
an off-the-shelf Lexus wheel 19x9 +40 with a 2" outer and 7" inner.

Start with a small outer and a big inner and you will get seriously NEGATIVE offsets when you flip 'em.

[5t341tH]

i tried to flip the face on my wheels but i cant. the drop center on the barrel is in the way.
i cant put the face on :signdammit:

[Brokey33]

Glad someone was able to confirm that. I thought fursure that would keep me from flipping mine too, and it really seems to be a setback :(

[thebeeguy]

i tried to flip the face on my wheels but i cant. the drop center on the barrel is in the way.
i cant put the face on :signdammit:
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f46/thebeeguy/YouMad.jpg

lol Sorry, i couldn't help it :shrug:


But anyways, its hit or miss with people flipping faces. I've seen a lot turn out great, like on the Platinum VIP Aristo.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2676/4088529806_e27104fdd7_b.jpg


And then there's the guys that flip Super high offset wheels to end up looking like theyre driving on oil drum/barrels and it just looks stupid.

[SoCalSC4]

lol Sorry, i couldn't help it :shrug:


But anyways, its hit or miss with people flipping faces. I've seen a lot turn out great, like on the Platinum VIP Aristo.



Actually those aren't flipped... they were 20" Reverse rim wheels that they re-used the centers and re-hooped them with 21" step-lip outers and inners. In effect, they turned 20" wheels into 21s by replacing the hoops.

With wheel centers:
20" Reverse fits 21" step lip
19" Reverse fits 20" step lip
etc.

[cheez80]

Actually those aren't flipped... they were 20" Reverse rim wheels that they re-used the centers and re-hooped them with 21" step-lip outers and inners. In effect, they turned 20" wheels into 21s by replacing the hoops.

With wheel centers:
20" Reverse fits 21" step lip
19" Reverse fits 20" step lip
etc.

thank you. that's the second time that's been said in this thread, hahaha

[radicalrev]

Guys, got a question here. Can you take apart a 2 piece welded wheels? (Face welded to the barrel)

If so, how safe would it be putting/welding it back? I am trying to buy a new barrel for the face...

[PureDrifter]

2pc wheels are generally face BOLTED to barrel (that's basically a "3pc wheel's" 2pc barrel that was welded together OR a 1pc barrel) for 2 separate pieces (face and barrel).

no real "2pc" wheels i know of are COMPLETELY welded together o.O

what exactly are you trying to do, there are some places that put in new barrels (i cant remember the name another member mentioned once around anaheim) but not sure if they will work on wheels with the barrel welded to the face.

[SoCalSC4]

thank you. that's the second time that's been said in this thread, hahaha

No charge for that...

[excluesiveonez]

socalsc4 is the friggin man.

[PureDrifter]

you'll have to take a pad measurment. you should be able to get a rough idea from that (face mounting will have a small effect as mentioned).

-(offset + distance from mounting flange to pad) - distance from mounting flange to pad

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc188/BLACKonBLACK98/barrel-flip.gif

as you can see you go dangerously (imo) low offset very quickly. i've calcualted some common high offset numbers and came up with the pad out of the wheel a lot.

imo, for this to work you need to have a relatively low offset (10s-20s) and a low disk to start with.

then comes the question of if it really looks good or is it just something you want to like.
thread revival!:giggity:

any chance you've got that offset picture? it was simple and really useful, and i lost the copy i had before :pat:

thanks! :biggthumpup:

[OG]

rehosted.

[Jay J]

Work's 2 piece wheels are welded together, you can take off the face rivits but they're indeed welded.

[berlinas2k2]

You need a wheel like this:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/berlinas2k2/Wheels/76fb4b04.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/berlinas2k2/Wheels/d651b612.jpg


I took the face off, and flipped them, however, they were much too low for my car to run..:)

[PureDrifter]

rehosted.
sweet thanks :giggity:

[steeb]

maybe if people could start trading barrels it could work but we would also need to find out what wheels have the same bolt patterns



no real "2pc" wheels i know of are COMPLETELY welded together o.O



http://carpron.com/multisite/d/138720-2/DSC00321.JPG
http://carpron.com/multisite/d/140030-2/DSC00434.JPG
http://carpron.com/multisite/d/140033-2/DSC00436.JPG
http://carpron.com/multisite/d/140042-2/DSC00439.JPG

[PureDrifter]

so explain to me how that's a 2pc wheel? its not at all modular anymore, and was from the factory, sold as 1pc welded wheel.

[urmyhero4now]

so explain to me how that's a 2pc wheel? its not at all modular anymore, and was from the factory, sold as 1pc welded wheel.

Thats what you call a 2 piece weld. Or atleast thats what Work Wheels calls it.

[Jay J]

Thats what you call a 2 piece weld. Or atleast thats what Work Wheels calls it.
yep....and to take them apart they need to be cut :p

[PureDrifter]

i have yet to ever hear of someone SUCCESSFULLY cut out the center from a welded wheel and put it in a new barrel...

[Jay J]

There's 2 shops I've seen do it before and the wheels are daily driven wheels that balance true and leak no air.

[nizzan4u2nv]

This guy can do it. I want to have some wheels redone by him in the future.

http://forums.nwp4life.com/zerothread?id=5444

[antbo]

This guy can do it. I want to have some wheels redone by him in the future.

http://forums.nwp4life.com/zerothread?id=5444
ha thats my homeboy. he owned that green accord wagon with the rebarreled ssr defi and mugen m7's. thats who i keep referring to about rebarreling

[phrosttz0]

wow that guy looks like he does awesome work

[nizzan4u2nv]

ha thats my homeboy. he owned that green accord wagon with the rebarreled ssr defi and mugen m7's. thats who i keep referring to about rebarreling

Hah I remember. When I saw that on NWP I was like "oh damn, its antbo's homie Ralph". He turns narrow high offset junk into wide low offset badass stuff. So sick.

[lunek]

those are some nice work on those wheels, i wish there was a guy in dallas that have that kind of skills.

[KNEXX]

The PlatinumVIP whip is the best I've seen... to an untrained eye it goes unnoticed. These works have potential-cant wait to see the outcome.

[OG]

This guy can do it. I want to have some wheels redone by him in the future.

http://forums.nwp4life.com/zerothread?id=5444
man that's some ill work.

[AME_VIP]

^^ definitely! I always wanted to take weak offset wheels and rebarrel like that. Impressive that he is changing from 15" to 17" with a custom plate also. Sick accord wagons.

[chandlerGTi]

I must have missed this thread for the last four years... :)

I had some wheels made for my W210 E55 back in 2005 and the only way to get the decent lip that I wanted for the rears was to flip the center. Nothing crazy like those in this thread but for MBs the options were pretty sucky back then....