This is why most people in America cant build a VIP car

[RobSoVip]

I posted the T's Project GS (3rd Gen) on clublexus for those guys in hopes of expanding their horizons and maybe inspiring some of them to think outside of the box there. That forum is littered with iForged, HRE, wald body kit, etc sporting 3rd gens, and I just wanted them to know there were other options. Evidently they dont like the wheels, all I said is thats cool, this is just one of the trends we are seeing in VIP tuning in JApan (this style wheel) and I posted up the Mode Parfume Cima as an example... Well, I will just let the picture do the rest of the explaining :2funny:
http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/idiocy.jpg

:D

Maybe I was expecting too much out of the guys on that forum, you spend sometime over here and you start to forget how closed minded and ignorant alot of US tuners are :idiot2:

[allstar]

n00bz

[firelizard]

Well, not everybody can like the same things. Everyone knows CL isn't the place for real Vip.
I've seen some Vip cars I think look horrible. And also, that style of wheel is a real love it or hate it type of thing.

[Pagong]

I pretty much gave up on CL when it comes to VIP. They are more concerned on whats proven already so they can all be Lemmings.

I just go there to make fun of people with LS430's and getting excited about thier Ice Dragon wheels :2funny:

Here is a good read short thread so you wont get bored..

98-00 LS400 "sittin on 20's"
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209922

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=82620&stc=1

And here's one that wants to put 17 Lexani Iris wheels... :uglystupid2:
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157565

[V8_Aristo]

Don't get me started..... :idiot2:

CL is a place where everyone follows everyone else, 99% of the members there will not put it on their cars w/o someone else doing it first. As far as their taste in wheels is concerned, the of the most popular wheels on the GS forum are Axis Milanos :buck2: If they really had class and money, atleast buy the original Mayas or Trafficstars and not a crappy Taiwan copy.

You guys wanna hear more? :D

[AME_VIP]

more more
I never get tired of bashing club lexus ha

It's a good site for learning the basics about your platform, but trying to expand their horizons is hopeless.

[RobSoVip]

Don't get me started.....* :idiot2:

CL is a place where everyone follows everyone else, 99% of the members there will not put it on their cars w/o someone else doing it first. As far as their taste in wheels is concerned, the of the most popular wheels on the GS forum are Axis Milanos* :buck2: If they really had class and money, atleast buy the original Mayas or Trafficstars and not a crappy Taiwan copy.

You guys wanna hear more?* :D


How about I got a set of SL's and tried to push the offset limit of the SC, then next thing you know, all the 18X8 et 45 all the way around guys start follwing suit, but never really stepping out and building 'their' car, always looking to copy whats been done. (with a few exceptions)

How about how the HP Evo's are the wheel to have on an SC over there.

How about how there are always tons of guys posting up that they want this part or that part, then when its offered, they all back out.

Fortunately though, as drifting has gained popularity, a few guys into drifting have joined and have begun to experiment with wheels... Its been one of the only positives of the DORIFTO trend, lol.

[AME_VIP]

That LS400 with dem phat 20's reminds me a couple guys I saw yesterday.* I spotted a completely beat up SC400 on big chrome and a black 300C with 22" chrome or so (ugly wheels) rolling like they are the best thing since sliced bread.*

The north american dub way is to just throw big chrome on and then drive hard because the world is amazed at your modding skillz.

[Pagong]

Scary thing is Junction Produce and other high end Japanese VIP companies are going the DUB style.. :crazy2:

[V8_Aristo]

How about.....

"I just waxed my car so it deserves a picture thread"

"I'm not going to lower my car since I live in ________ and the roads here are horrible."

"when that car is dropped, it looks like garbage. yay, it looks neat to be skidding around on the floor with your wheels barely touching the ground... weeeeeeee- look at me!!

why spend money to have the bottom of your car all scratched up? maybe i'm not 'with it' but the coolness of this totally escapes me..."


Here's some pics....

Nice Junction kit, I especially love the wheels fitment. ::)
http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/junction4xx.jpg

Lovely vent *:D
http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/3462/P10100141.JPG

[Pagong]

Since most bad tastes comes from CL..here is another.

It seems like the owner has the money to blow on wheels every month and get the latest styles, but for some reason the sizing and fitments tend to lack in the WOW factor.

1st set 19" Maya
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/ssk0771/SC430%20with%20Maya%20GR5/SC43016.jpg

2nd set 19" EXXE *Work S2H copy* an SC430 owner... :buck2:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/ssk0771/SC430%20with%20Work%20Exxe%20Updated%20Pics/SC430Exxe1-2.jpg

3rd set 20" WEDS Kranze LXZ...WEDS for crying out loud and he gets these fitments
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/ssk0771/SC430%20With%20Weds%20Kranze%20LXZ/SC430Weds2-1.jpg

4th set 20" MAYA GR5
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/ssk0771/SC430%20with%20Maya%20GR5%2020s/SC430MayaGR520s1.jpg

5th set 20" Vellano
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/ssk0771/SC430%20with%20Vellano%20VSB%205LS/SC430Vellano1.jpg

This shows that he has the money, but taste...??? its a whole nother story.

[shoez]

Who in their right damned mind would call the Mode Parfum Cima 'The most hideous piece of man made crap'? You have to appreciate the quality put into that car.

Jesus I'm glad I didn't join CL.. *:idiot2:
Mode Parfum Cima < LEXUS LS430 ON PHAT DUBZ!!!1011! PWNS YOUS!!!

[callaghan.]

ive always hated clublexus. its a bunch of toolbags thinking their clear corners and gay DIY's are the hottest shit going.

[firelizard]

gay DIY's .

How to make your own KY Jelly?

[RobSoVip]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/ssk0771/SC430%20with%20Work%20Exxe%20Updated%20Pics/SC430Exxe1-2.jpg

Carefull, a member here with a full on Dunk style SC300 has these wheels and is a member here! :2funny:

[Wald GS]

I posted the T's Project GS (3rd Gen) on clublexus for those guys in hopes of expanding their horizons and maybe inspiring some of them to think outside of the box there. That forum is littered with iForged, HRE, wald body kit, etc sporting 3rd gens, and I just wanted them to know there were other options. Evidently they dont like the wheels, all I said is thats cool, this is just one of the trends we are seeing in VIP tuning in JApan (this style wheel) and I posted up the Mode Parfume Cima as an example... Well, I will just let the picture do the rest of the explaining :2funny:
http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/idiocy.jpg

:D

Maybe I was expecting too much out of the guys on that forum, you spend sometime over here and you start to forget how closed minded and ignorant alot of US tuners are :idiot2:


Lol, the guy who said that rolls on l-tuned sides, tte lip, and cookie cutter everything. ;D

[OnTop]

Lol, the guy who said that rolls on l-tuned sides, tte lip, and cookie cutter everything. ;D


but ''aristo'' he's a champion, see the ''custom title''

[V8_Aristo]

but ''aristo'' he's a champion, see the ''custom title''


I still represent, eventhough 99% of them don't know what my title is. ;D

[vipguy]

for a while.. when you visit a CL "meet" you see stock hieght
LS's or GS's with clear corners and some dorks..

then the "bad-ass" modders come in.. with a CF hood on a GS..
LOUD exhaust.. "raced out" indeed..

more people are doing their cars right.. but a lot of them are like that..
NICO too! they frown on stretched tires and laid out Q45's..

thats just how the scene for car's is.. you get a bunch of people all
wrapped up on "correct" tire fitment.. no rubbing, no scraping, "good"
driving helight... ehh... its all personal preference. you fix up
your car for YOU.. not for anyone, especially not for someone ON THE INTERNET!!!

plus, forums are just a "online guide" or another reference you can use, its not
even always accurate.. think outside the box. how were people doing up their cars
before forums and the internet was so readily available?

[AME_VIP]

how were people doing up their cars
before forums and the internet was so readily available?


NOooobody modded cars before tha intarweb. lemmings for life !

[TransformCelsior]

haha, ice dragons.

what about the brand "DONZ"?

it sure seems like every cheesy north american wheel company take on some sort of "godfather" or "italian" affiliated name,

for example:

Giovanni

Lexani

Zenetti

Forgiato

Mob Empire

Gianelle

Gino

Detata

man talk about cheesy.




I pretty much gave up on CL when it comes to VIP.* They are more concerned on whats proven already so they can all be Lemmings.

I just go there to make fun of people with LS430's and getting excited about thier Ice Dragon wheels :2funny:

Here is a good read short thread so you wont get bored..

98-00 LS400 "sittin on 20's"
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209922

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=82620&stc=1

And here's one that wants to put 17 Lexani Iris wheels... :uglystupid2:
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157565

[TransformCelsior]

yup, they sure love their Axis Milano's

it's crazy how many sets of these I see on the streets of southern cali.


Don't get me started.....* :idiot2:

CL is a place where everyone follows everyone else, 99% of the members there will not put it on their cars w/o someone else doing it first. As far as their taste in wheels is concerned, the of the most popular wheels on the GS forum are Axis Milanos* :buck2: If they really had class and money, atleast buy the original Mayas or Trafficstars and not a crappy Taiwan copy.

You guys wanna hear more?* :D

[Wald GS]

yup, they sure love their Axis Milano's

it's crazy how many sets of these I see on the streets of southern cali.




LOL... especially the SC guys. lol

[CharismaY33]

lol club lexus wadda joke. that forum is the breeding ground for ignorace i swear its like a zoo of monkeys one has a bananna and you got 30 behind with a barrel i swear its comical. Thank you lord oh budda that i don't have a lexus and roll vipstyle way id have to shoot myself

[carb0]

http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/idiocy.jpg


aside from the noob-ness this guy with-holds, what basis does he have on saying that? if he knows the cima, then he's familiar w/ the lines and vehicle itself so,- if the car is modded close to stock how does he manage to say it's the ugliest p.o.s. he's ever seen? or do you think it was just because he really dislikes the cima itself?

[bBOXD]

Club-Lexus = Breeding Ground For Ignorance!

[carb0]

indeed. it seems so...

[Pagong]

That is one of the guys that people over at CL thinks highly of...his opinions are the bible to these lemmings.

Its fun to see people throw money at thier cars and still end up looking like ass :2funny:* CL is a good example of that.* And the LS* category seems to be full of them ??? *with the exception of a few. :angel:

LOTC
Cutecboy
Retrodrive
BR1AN
ATSUO

[firelizard]

I think you guys are being too hard on them just for not liking Vip style. There are things you can do to a Lexus.
I don't like Gangsta Bling Inc. 20x9" +50 rims either but apparently they do and they have the right to do so as much as you have the right to not like them.

[jtanoyo1]

LOL, CL-bashing (or getting bashed by CL) has always been a favorite pastime for most of the members here (including and most especially me), but just remember that most of us here has our roots back there and we did start from there. This site wouldn't be here without CL.

[swifty949]

what ever happened to Manaray? I remember everyone followed his word like the bible. Now everyone there is into Knock offs, and same old styles.

[gato]

wheel experts...... :'( http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214821

[V8_Aristo]

wheel experts...... :'(* * http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214821



Just like what the title says....

This is why most people in America cant build a VIP car

[Wald GS]

lol club lexus wadda joke. that forum is the breeding ground for ignorace i swear its like a zoo of monkeys one has a bananna and you got 30 behind with a barrel i swear its comical. Thank you lord oh budda that i don't have a lexus and roll vipstyle way id have to shoot myself


You can roll in your stock infiniti. ;D

[hipermax_d]

wheel experts...... :'( http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214821



haha after i read this thread, i felt so sorry for you gato
you went through so much trouble to explain to those people but they just dont want to accept it

[One Ton VIP]

It's all about just observing the "haters"... see what pics they usually post up as their "inspiration"... what kinda cars they find on the net that they think looks good. Then note whether they end up liking the very kind of cars they decry so often (which is usually the case).
Then take mental notes and chuckle to yourself.

[ebruce2]

LOL, CL-bashing (or getting bashed by CL) has always been a favorite pastime for most of the members here (including and most especially me), but just remember that most of us here has our roots back there and we did start from there. This site wouldn't be here without CL.


Jon, thank you for being the first to state this. Regardless of what forum people are on they/we all have our own likes/dislikes when it comes to modding and styling our vehicles. What I have found from being a member both @ CL and here is that over there people generally go by the rule "say something nice or say nothing at all". I have also noticed the close-minded-ness of many people over there when it comes to VIP styling. I look at it as their loss. On the other hand, I am hearing just as much closed-mindedness to the more conservative style in this thread so far. So who's worse? Who really cares? There are just as many noobs here as there are over there.

Thank you, Jon, for unknowingly bringing me over to this site and expanding my horizons to the VIP side of modding. 8) What you did with your old Aristo was nothing short of totally original and incredible!

It's not like I have some crazy hardcore VIP ride myself, as it's not practical for me and my line of work, but I still love to see all different styles just the same. If you are a true auto enthusiast in my mind, you have the ability to look at a vehicle and simply say that it just "doesnt do it for you" instead of straight up bashing it. All in all, I dont think vehicle styling has squat to do with where you live (like the title of this thread claims) but it's more about what you have exposure to and an open mind to. That said, all this CL bashing serves no purpose to me. Flame away guys. :P :)

[eurospec]

see signature. nuff said.

[ebruce2]

see signature. nuff said.
so I guess youre calling me AND the people who founded this forum dorks...brilliant! ::)

[Pagong]

It's not like I have some crazy hardcore VIP ride myself, as it's not practical for me and my line of work, but I still love to see all different styles just the same. If you are a true auto enthusiast in my mind, you have the ability to look at a vehicle and simply say that it just "doesnt do it for you" instead of straight up bashing it.


The thing about CL is that if one person says "that looks like shiet" the whole flock will follow. Then you have a mass snow ball of people just hating on something they know nothing about.

Look at how that guy HAMEED responded...and he is supposed to be one of CL most knowledgeable members...and thats how he responds?

VIP cars gets bashed at CL alot!!!! But nobody says anything about it.

But when we make one thread bashing CL, panties gets all bunched up. And this thread isnt even about CL, its about bad taste...and its just too bad that Club Lexus may have the money to buy all the good things in life, but sheep they are...."baaa baaa".

[ebruce2]

I have to respectfully disagree about "the whole flock" following the opinion of one person over there. Personally I like what I like no matter who says what.

And you're right, this thread wasnt supposed to be about clublexus, however 5 or 6 different people here are spending the time and energy to make it so. Why? Who knows or cares. I just think it's pretty juvenile, thats all. Especially the hypocritical portions of this thread where people complain about CL members and their closed-minded opinions, and then in the same breath they turn around exhibit the same behaviors that they dont like being subjected to. Makes no sense to me. ???

I tell people all the time over there to keep it civil when their threads get like this and most are usually really cool about it. If not, mods step in and put an end to it.

So I guess everyone who enjoys the same style of modding here are sheep too? I thought the idea of a forum like this was to share ideas/opinions and learn as much as possible. Of course with 1,000's of members over there some folks are going to like the same things. I'm also wondering when CL became about how much you can afford to spend on stuff??? that sounds like pure hate to me.

I have learned a lot in both places and have no preference of one over the other...I just dont get the point of bashing an entire forum of people and assuming they all have the same opnion on things. Generalizing like that just seems ignorant and pointless to me. I can guarantee you there are no threads on CL bashing this entire forum and accusing all its members of being sheep.

And living in America is the reason why you can or cant mod your vehicle properlyor is the reason for bad taste? Thats sounds even more ridiculous. I guess we can all respectfully agree to disagree. :)

[RobSoVip]

so I guess youre calling me AND the people who founded this forum dorks...brilliant! ::)


I will, and Im still active over there... Its unfortunate, but that forum is full of pansies, cheap asses, big talkers, and followers. There are a few people that make real strives to establish their own style and individual looks, then as soon as the flock sees what has been done and how to do it, they then get in line and follow the style while not breaking from the belief that this new style trumps all... This is until the next guy decides to do something different and the cycle starts over. The worst part is that alot of those guys claim to be all around car fans, but they tend to keep an extremely closed mind to anything outside of the aproximate scope of their automotive interest. I feel like I can appriciate all styles, types and themes of cars. I love clean VIP, clean EXE, Drift, Auto-X, All Show, Domestics (New and Old), Rat Rods, Rat Style Euro, Off-Road, etc. Maybe becuase I have helped work on several different types of cars with friends, that I have a working understanding of the work and sweat that goes into these cars to acheive their desired styles. The guys on here tend to do more extreme work on their cars, themselves. We do our own fender mods, we play with camber, we get down and dirty. On clublexus, either they are scared to get that deep in a project, or they have someone else do it for them.

Whatever, I just wish people could open their minds sometimes, and appriciate something other than a supercharged, HRE sporting, Tein CS suspended GS.

[Pagong]

This forum I thought was for VIP styled cars. It covers a broad range of vehicles and how they are modded.

So I guess everyone who enjoys the same style of modding here are sheep too?

We may like the same style of modding in this forum, but do you see one car that looks exactly like the other? I highly doubt it...that is why this forum is so diversified...the modding ideas are the same but execution is totaly different giving the end product a totally individual style.

I'm also wondering when CL became about how much you can afford to spend on stuff??? that sounds like pure hate to me.


It wasnt really about how much one can afford, but its been said time and time again..."money doesnt buy taste" and it seems like CL is full of that. And that is my personal observation.
And hate is such a strong word :police:

I just dont get the point of bashing an entire forum of people and assuming they all have the same opnion on things. Generalizing like that just seems ignorant and pointless to me. I can guarantee you there are no threads on CL bashing this entire forum and accusing all its members of being sheep

There really isnt a point on bashing any forums..heck im still a member of CL and from time to time I post there too helping LS owners out.
It is true that you wont see a thread in CL about bashing this forum of being sheeps, because even though we like the same style of modding we somehow end up with very different looking cars.

Thats just my take on this whole thing.

I will still continue going to CL, because there are good people there. :smitten:

[eurospec]

so I guess youre calling me AND the people who founded this forum dorks...brilliant! ::)


that is correct.

dork.

actually I am sure that you didn't intend to devlop an ignorant monster, but then again, homer simpson didn't mean for the negative addictive effects of tomacco.

-Rick :2funny:

[ebruce2]

that is correct.

dork.

actually I am sure that you didn't intend to devlop an ignorant monster, but then again, homer simpson didn't mean for the negative addictive effects of tomacco.

-Rick :2funny:

Impressive...it takes a real man to name-call behind the relative anonymity of the internet. ;D

Careful, mommy and daddy might cut off your allowance. No gold star for you today, little Johnny. ;D

By the way, where's YOUR "VIP style car"???

[gato]

I will, and Im still active over there... Its unfortunate, but that forum is full of pansies, cheap asses, big talkers, and followers.


no offense yakuzaSoarer, but you just said you were active and will stay active on CL. so, I guess your calling yourself a pansie and a big talker, huh!

I respect the fact that you like to follow the VIP style and are pretty knowledgable on this trend. but why not use that and be positive about it.

I'm not saying your negative, but I just read some of your previous replies on other threads, and it just seems like you be hating sometimes.

If I'm not mistakin, you are from TX. we don't hate in TX, we do big things.

[Xotic sC]

HP EVO's make me cry. Take a stroll down to a ClubLexus meet, yup all stock ride height and knock off rims. Do it right or don't do it at all, please. :buck2:

They take up a huge majority of the ClubLexus population. :'(

Also, knock-off kits/rims are so common in CL....sigh, depresses me to even think about it. I'm just glad I have my own mindset and that I am following a true Lexus/EXE culture (in terms of modifications and style).

[RobSoVip]

no offense yakuzaSoarer,* *but you just said you were active and will stay active on CL.* so, I guess your calling yourself a pansie and a big talker, huh!

I respect the fact that you like to follow the VIP style and are pretty knowledgable on this trend. but why not use that and be positive about it.

I'm not saying your negative, but I just read some of your previous replies on other threads, and it just seems like you be hating sometimes.

If I'm not mistakin, you are from TX.* we don't hate in TX, we do big things.


Gato, I am in Texas. I do not believe that I am a big talker or pansie, but Im in Galveston if you want to further pursue the issue (sarchasm here folks, no one on this board is an internet-thug) :knuppel2:. :2funny:

Seriously though, a majority of those guys on there all claim to want this look or this part then when a vendor comes through, everyone bails and just a handful of people pick up the item. Im neither a big talker, nor a pansie... When I decide that I want to build something, I dont worry about what other people will think, or the cost, I just take my time and do it right. I can't justify buying cheap HP Evo's or Axis wheels, I can't justify half assing a car, and I can't justify building a car that lacks individuality, but thats why I like it over here better than I like it over there.

(and when I say active, I mean that I will maybe post once or twice a month now, and its usually photos.)

[AutofashionFred]

This reminds me of Honda-tech.com. You should check it out and just read. Its comedy on all aspects :2funny:

[CharismaY33]

believe it or not thats how it is on alot of forums. Ex probetalk which i am a member of. Now as you know probes dont have a huge aft.
probes arnt really looked apon as trend setters and all that. Sooo, when a vendor does big up and offers a product/s that a alot of people claim to support and do the bulk buy but when its offerend and gets to knuckling down to it they p- out and dont wanna do it. To me that angres me because i know the scarisity of the car and that it needs vendors and people to support it but they dont which is why there is very little parts and alot of custom jobs because no one wants to put money into loss profit period....

[eurospec]

Impressive...it takes a real man to name-call behind the relative anonymity of the internet. ;D

Careful, mommy and daddy might cut off your allowance. No gold star for you today, little Johnny. ;D

By the way, where's YOUR "VIP style car"???


The name is Rick... Mommy and Daddy cut me off when I graduated college. :-[ :tickedoff:

I was brought into this style from my twin brother... strangely enough, YakuzaSoarer on this forum. Its a family thing for me. I don't mean to upset you but come on. Be humble. Truthfully...DUDE!!! IFORGED ROCKS! Well, unless you can get HRE's and Lsportlines. :buck2:

[jtanoyo1]

Guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuys, the point is this **messaaaage**:

What it boils down to is that you won't like it if people talk smack about you and nobody likes it if you talk smack about them. You can try to be politically anally correct about it, but someone, somewhere is gonna get pissed at something that someone said.....

.....soooooooooo, as your peace-loving moderator, I say lay off it, and pleazzze, leave the name-calling, member-bashing, loud-mouthing to the children....or CL.... ;)

[callaghan.]

This reminds me of Honda-tech.com. You should check it out and just read. Its comedy on all aspects :2funny:



H-T is greattttt haha. ive been a member for 5 years, but havent posted in like 2 except for sale threads. it used to be so good, and now its just hilarious at how bad/retarded so many of the kids are. if your car doesnt look like every other car on HT you get torn apart

[ebruce2]

The name is Rick... Mommy and Daddy cut me off when I graduated college. :-[ :tickedoff:

I was brought into this style from my twin brother... strangely enough, YakuzaSoarer on this forum. Its a family thing for me. I don't mean to upset you but come on. Be humble. Truthfully...DUDE!!! IFORGED ROCKS! Well, unless you can get HRE's and Lsportlines. :buck2:


Look man, you dont know me, I dont know you. To make assumptions about someone b/c they are a CL member is totally ignorant. People who think they can just throw $$$ at a vehicle and make it hot crack me up too. That's not me.

I treat people with respect on ANY online forum I am a member of, and have been nothing but humble until this juvenile name-calling started. You, however, have not been humble. Dont ask for respect if you dont give it to begin with. Personally it doesnt mean squat to me how or why you got here or who you are related to, bottom line is that if you choose to be cool with me I will do the same with you. Period. Check your PM.

I'm not here for that type of BS anyway, but simply to appreciate all the different distinctly Japanese styles of modding and learn as much as possible. I'd like to get back to that now.

[Xotic sC]

put your egos aside here and let's get back to talking about how "Americans cannot build VIPstyled cars"

And I'm sure we can all agree that we take craps on knock off rims and body kits as a hobby. ;D

[AME_VIP]

One issue seems to be the price of VIP platforms.

For me I started with a 929 because it was affordable.* *Here in Canada, even 1st gen GS300 is upwards of 12k.* *Q45 90-92 are pretty cheap now at 5-6000 and LS400 90-94 run aorund 8-10k as well.
I seriously looked at nicer platforms to start with such as Y33, F50, M45, LS400 and 430 but they are out of my price range.* *I could have brought in a Y32 Cima from Japan but I feel that they are getting a little old to be VIP.

Many of the younger generation, who want to get into VIP,* can't afford the price tag of a VIP platform and then the price of modding.* *I think the majority of platform owners are older in North America and not into body kits, stretching tires and scraping every where they go.* *

[firelizard]

One issue seems to be the price of VIP platforms.

For me I started with a 929 because it was affordable.* *Here in Canada, even 1st gen GS300 is upwards of 12k.* *Q45 90-92 are pretty cheap now at 5-6000 and LS400 90-94 run aorund 8-10k as well.
I seriously looked at nicer platforms to start with such as Y33, F50, M45, LS400 and 430 but they are out of my rpice range.* *I could have brought in a Y32 Cima from Japan but I feel that they are getting a little old to be VIP.

Many of the younger generation, who want to get into VIP,* can't afford the price stag of a VIP platform and then the price of modding.* *I think the majority of platform owners are older in North America and not into body kits, stretching tires and scraping every where they go.* *


100% man

Of course I would've bought a Lexus or Infiniti if I could get them here for the same as they go in Japan or even US, but an average specimen of my car goes for 6-8k here. There's no such thing as a Lexus of Infiniti in good condition under 10 large.

[clearstar society]

Started out there, learned a lot there, made a ton of good friends there. CL is good place for mechanical questions and such.

We can't all like the same things :smitten:

Love this place and I thank Jon for starting it :coolsmiley:

[username]

welcome to vipstylecars-tech.com!

[callaghan.]

welcome to vipstylecars-tech.com!

:2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

[UpTownGS]

Its unfortunate, but that forum is full of pansies, cheap asses, big talkers, and followers. There are a few people that make real strives to establish their own style and individual looks, then as soon as the flock sees what has been done and how to do it, they then get in line and follow the style while not breaking from the belief that this new style trumps all... This is until the next guy decides to do something different and the cycle starts over. quoted.... and I wholeheartedly agree..... this goes for all places.... yes including VIP style guru's.


The guys on here tend to do more extreme work on their cars, themselves. We do our own fender mods, we play with camber, we get down and dirty. On clublexus, either they are scared to get that deep in a project, or they have someone else do it for them. Lets not generalize... i'm sure there are many examples that could make this quote false.


Whatever, I just wish people could open their minds sometimes, and appriciate something other than a xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I feel the same way in all aspects.



see at the end of the day we all work on our cars for a specific reason... who cares about who's doing what and how their doing it.... just travel on your "OWN" lines. Lines and definitions are going to be pushed and to me.... thats the beauty of alot of these forums.... its that I get to see various individuals do their own thing and push boundaries. Sometimes it works.... and sometimes it doesn't... at the end of the day they weren't afraid to stay within boundaries.

w/ that being said... I'd like to say part of being VIP is knowing you're VIP and the high horse routine should be left to the followers. Now I said it before and I'll say it again... I'm not going to define my car as VIP but there are aspects that I love from the VIP culture, and DUB, and Euro etc etc.... at the end of the day just let it be and do you.

[GSoup]

wow... I just finished reading this and i didn't learn anything on why most americans can't build a VIP car. :-\

I will agree, yes alot of individuals there follow the masses. I believe that is due to the fact that they just don't know any better or they haven't been exposed to it.
I was in that mind frame but in the past couple of months I have been expanding my mind and really opening my eyes to the potential of what is possible with my car. Do I enjoy the CL bashing ..quite honest NO!! I have met some really good friends from there and thats what I see it as people meeting people because they have something in common. It works for me.

Now do I love ridiculous offsets and cars on the floor ... at first I didn't understand and the more I exposed myself to it the more I loved it. I even had my car dropped recently to the point where I had no finger gaps and the wheels were a little tucked. The funny thing is at the moment I didn't realize it but I got alotta of negative feedback because of it, but I loved my ride the way it is. My point is at the end of the day who cares what the next man thinks so long as what you do is what makes you happy.

Oh and I guess my taste is changing due to being exposed to VIP..i went to HIN this past week and i was disgusted :tickedoff: Not only did i want my money back but i felt i should have been compensated for emotional distress.

hey johnny ummm where did you go? LOL..hope you didn't have a hangover.

[actolex]

wow... I just finished reading this and i didn't learn anything on why most americans can't build a VIP car. :-\

I will agree, yes alot of individuals there follow the masses. I believe that is due to the fact that they just don't know any better or they haven't been exposed to it.
I was in that mind frame but in the past couple of months I have been expanding my mind and really opening my eyes to the potential of what is possible with my car. Do I enjoy the CL bashing ..quite honest NO!! I have met some really good friends from there and thats what I see it as people meeting people because they have something in common. It works for me.

Now do I love ridiculous offsets and cars on the floor ... at first I didn't understand and the more I exposed myself to it the more I loved it. I even had my car dropped recently to the point where I had no finger gaps and the wheels were a little tucked. The funny thing is at the moment I didn't realize it but I got alotta of negative feedback because of it, but I loved my ride the way it is. My point is at the end of the day who cares what the next man thinks so long as what you do is what makes you happy.

Oh and I guess my taste is changing due to being exposed to VIP..i went to HIN this past week and i was disgusted* :tickedoff: Not only did i want my money back but i felt i should have been compensated for emotional distress.

hey johnny ummm where did you go? LOL..hope you didn't have a hangover.


In actuality, the show was better than past shows in AC.* The level of car has gone up....more euro's and exotics, less Civics and Accords.* It seems like the euro market is gaining more momentum than the classical VIP style....but VIP is still in its infancy.* We'll have to see how the masses respond to VIP cars....time will tell.* We had a lot of interest in both JP cars at the show, but I noticed it was the older crowd that were interested.*

....and Johnny....well he had several 12 oz dates during the show..... :o

[Kohinoor]

i feel this thread is full of ignorance.. how can you bash someone (or a group of people, for that matter) for stating an opinion?

[Gao Jian]

i feel this thread is full of ignorance.. how can you bash someone (or a group of people, for that matter) for stating an opinion?


well people do it all the time in all walks of life, if we didn't do things like this there would not be war or racism... I'm saying its right but it is what it is. I think the original intention on the post was just to show how many CL owners did not like the VIP style while they were all rocking the same rims with little to no mods. I don't care if people in the US don't dig VIP style for the most part because when I build my car it will be all for me :crazy2:

[RaCinStylez]

Carefull, a member here with a full on Dunk style SC300 has these wheels and is a member here! :2funny:


Yes I have those wheels, and think they look great. *Fuck you if you dont like em...its of no concern to me, and yes my car does look DUNK right now because I have yet to get my suspension. *All your fuckin posts on this board talkin about hating on clublexus and shit. *Nga, you got like thousands of posts on that website and you talk shit about it. *If it was such a horrible website, then just dont go there anymore. *You are the first one to suck D2motorsports dick with all your gay ass posts. *You say you are the "master" of VIP, when you have had an SC with concervative offsets and shit suspension. *Now look at the ride you have now...sc430..which you will probably turn to shit very soon. *So stop talkin shit, go suck a left nut and get a life.

[TransformCelsior]

It is full of ignorance.

you will always have the ingnorant followers who will actually go out and camber their wheels, stretch their tires beyond safety limits, tint - or not tint their cars simply because it's "vip", install HUGE cartoonish exhaust pipes, etc....all to follow a trend.

after reading up on everything here, it is almost a joke to call any car "vip". I don't even want it to be mentioned with my car.

It's just simply what I like.





i feel this thread is full of ignorance.. how can you bash someone (or a group of people, for that matter) for stating an opinion?

[V8_Aristo]

RaCinStylez - We respect everyones opinion here, so I'm giving you a chance to re-write your post. You can express you opinions, but do it with less profanity.

[Pagong]

Yes I have those wheels, and think they look great. *f*** you if you dont like em...its of no concern to me, and yes my car does look DUNK right now because I have yet to get my suspension. *All your fuckin posts on this board talkin about hating on clublexus and s***. *Nga, you got like thousands of posts on that website and you talk s*** about it. *If it was such a horrible website, then just dont go there anymore. *You are the first one to suck D2motorsports dick with all your gay ass posts. *You say you are the "master" of VIP, when you have had an SC with concervative offsets and s*** suspension. *Now look at the ride you have now...sc430..which you will probably turn to s*** very soon. *So stop talkin s***, go suck a left nut and get a life.


Wow, its a debate. Is this how you react to somebody who doesnt like or agrees with what you say or do?
People will have different opinions on everything. You need to chill :knuppel2: :police:

[RobSoVip]

Yes I have those wheels, and think they look great. *f*** you if you dont like em...its of no concern to me, and yes my car does look DUNK right now because I have yet to get my suspension. *All your fuckin posts on this board talkin about hating on clublexus and s***. *Nga, you got like thousands of posts on that website and you talk s*** about it. *If it was such a horrible website, then just dont go there anymore. *You are the first one to suck D2motorsports dick with all your gay ass posts. *You say you are the "master" of VIP, when you have had an SC with concervative offsets and s*** suspension. *Now look at the ride you have now...sc430..which you will probably turn to s*** very soon. *So stop talkin s***, go suck a left nut and get a life.


wow, tell me how you really feel.

-I was at one time a loyal member of clublexus. It was when I was very new to cars and I was trying to find other SC enthusiast. I do have a lot of post there, but I think you will attest that my posting on that site has steadily diminished in the past year. I have been a member there since 2002 though.

-When did I say I was the master of VIP? I am by no means a master. I am a moderator of Jspek.com’s VIP Style forum. A few of the guys over there were trying to figure out what the style was and I joined and wrote a few long post explaining the culture, style, and trends of both VIPcars and VIPstyle cars, they needed a moderator that knew something about the style so they asked me. Is that why you think I claim to be the master? I am by no means a master. I have done plenty of research, but I can think of 10 guys off the top of my head on this board that have much more experience than me.

-My car did have weaker offsets than I would have preferred. It was my first time to experiment with widths / offsets on a car. However, when I purchased my wheels, SC guys were still claiming that anything other widths of 8 (f) and 10 (r) with an offset around 45-50 was bad for the car, and impossible to run. A few other guys and I started to see what could fit, and now people have a better idea. Now those offsets are probably around the middle of the road.

-My suspension was pretty weak. I bought the Espelirs and Tokico's when I was in college, and I was still fairly new to the scene. When I had graduated, I was ready to move up to the 430, so I didn't upgrade anything. As far as handling goes though, the Espelir / Tokico combined with full Daizen Bushings and Daizen F and R Sways really did quite well.

-The SC430 is stock right now. I’m at a point in my life where I’m content with a stock SC430. I’m focusing on work, and my fiancé for the time being. I still love VIPcars and VIPstyle.

-Have you ever dealt with Derrick at D2-Autosports? I have, he went out of his way to assist me numerous times. I appreciate that sort of customer service, especially in an industry where customer service is often over-looked.

-If you have any other issues feel free to PM me and we can chat about it, shoot we are both in Houston (I’m in Galveston), we can talk face to face about it, but this looks incredibly immature, so lets take a deep breathe, gather your senses, and move on.

[GSoup]

In actuality, the show was better than past shows in AC. The level of car has gone up....more euro's and exotics, less Civics and Accords. It seems like the euro market is gaining more momentum than the classical VIP style....but VIP is still in its infancy. We'll have to see how the masses respond to VIP cars....time will tell. We had a lot of interest in both JP cars at the show, but I noticed it was the older crowd that were interested.

....and Johnny....well he had several 12 oz dates during the show..... :o



I agree there definitely was a stronger euro presence there but the majority of it was :o OD'ed.
yeah i was definitely feeling the Cima ;D at the junction booth... Eventhough I liked the wheels ya had on it at the sema show better :coolsmiley: the same ones in the trunk.

The younger crowd didn't feel it because there wasn't enough LCD screens on the cars or one in the gas cap like a certain GS at the show :uglystupid2:

[RaCinStylez]

RaCinStylez - We respect everyones opinion here, so I'm giving you a chance to re-write your post. You can express you opinions, but do it with less profanity.




You respect everyones opinions?!?* It really doesnt seem that way when I can get called out like that.* He str8 up talked s*** about my ride, and I dont get a change to defend myself.* All you bullshit ass ngas on this website tak s*** about each other claiming they are "opinions"


wow, tell me how you really feel.

-I was at one time a loyal member of clublexus. It was when I was very new to cars and I was trying to find other SC enthusiast. I do have a lot of post there, but I think you will attest that my posting on that site has steadily diminished in the past year. I have been a member there since 2002 though.

-When did I say I was the master of VIP? I am by no means a master. I am a moderator of Jspek.com’s VIP Style forum. A few of the guys over there were trying to figure out what the style was and I joined and wrote a few long post explaining the culture, style, and trends of both VIPcars and VIPstyle cars, they needed a moderator that knew something about the style so they asked me. Is that why you think I claim to be the master? I am by no means a master. I have done plenty of research, but I can think of 10 guys off the top of my head on this board that have much more experience than me.

-My car did have weaker offsets than I would have preferred. It was my first time to experiment with widths / offsets on a car. However, when I purchased my wheels, SC guys were still claiming that anything other widths of 8 (f) and 10 (r) with an offset around 45-50 was bad for the car, and impossible to run. A few other guys and I started to see what could fit, and now people have a better idea. Now those offsets are probably around the middle of the road.

-My suspension was pretty weak. I bought the Espelirs and Tokico's when I was in college, and I was still fairly new to the scene. When I had graduated, I was ready to move up to the 430, so I didn't upgrade anything. As far as handling goes though, the Espelir / Tokico combined with full Daizen Bushings and Daizen F and R Sways really did quite well.

-The SC430 is stock right now. I’m at a point in my life where I’m content with a stock SC430. I’m focusing on work, and my fiancé for the time being. I still love VIPcars and VIPstyle.

-Have you ever dealt with Derrick at D2-Autosports? I have, he went out of his way to assist me numerous times. I appreciate that sort of customer service, especially in an industry where customer service is often over-looked.

-If you have any other issues feel free to PM me and we can chat about it, shoot we are both in Houston (I’m in Galveston), we can talk face to face about it, but this looks incredibly immature, so lets take a deep breathe, gather your senses, and move on.



You were the first to talk s*** about my car, and now you are back peddling talking about we can talk face to face.* Yes we can, and anything that I have to say online, I can surely say to your face.* Talking about immature, you were the first one to make an immature comment about my car, have you forgotten that already?* There has not been one post on this website where I str8 up call a person out like you have just done.* Opinions can be shared, but your comment was to make fun of my car.* What have I done to you?* Dont talk s*** unless you want s***.* Now, if you can realize that you were the first to make a mistake by talkin s***...then by all mean we can be adults and handle this maturely.* I just had to handle it the same way you approached me.

[V8_Aristo]

You respect everyones opinions?!?* It really doesnt seem that way when I can get called out like that.* He str8 up talked s*** about my ride, and I dont get a change to defend myself.* All you bullshit ass ngas on this website tak s*** about each other claiming they are "opinions"

Why can't you say it with less profanity, that's all I'm asking. Defend yourself all you want, I am not stopping you from doing that.

[RaCinStylez]

Why can't you say it with less profanity, that's all I'm asking. Defend yourself all you want, I am not stopping you from doing that.


ok, sorry about that man...wont happen again. Its just irritating dealing with some people. You can have your own opinions and say what you want to say. If you dont like something that someone else does, that is completely your right to that opinion. I have no problems with opinions, just a problem with people talking down to others, claiming they are better than everyone else.

[RobSoVip]

ok, sorry about that man...wont happen again.* Its just irritating dealing with some people.* You can have your own opinions and say what you want to say.* If you dont like something that someone else does, that is completely your right to that opinion.* I have no problems with opinions, just a problem with people talking down to others, claiming they are better than everyone else.


Im not better than anyone. All I said is that your car looks Dunk Style with those wheels. That my opinion, you have yours. I handled my business like a man and Im done.

[clearstar society]

Why can't you say it with less profanity, that's all I'm asking. Defend yourself all you want, I am not stopping you from doing that.


I think he is very angry >:(

[UpTownGS]

Lets keep in mind guys that although some of us may not like eachothers' styles I dont think we are attacking any body as a person which is why i had a problem w/ this thread to begin with. Sometimes when you are apart of something so elite such as VIP tuning you forget your place and start speaking from a high horse... I'm sure its not the intention but as time passes by and we are more familiar w/ our goals disciplines for all forms of tuning.... we start to respect the essense of what this is all about, innovation.

sometimes speaking from that angle is disrespectable to other ppl because like said earlier... we all do our cars for ourselves and it shouldn't matter if they have conservative offsets or whatnot... there are cons and pros of everything and we all take that into account and decide what is ultimately good for us. Some of us like to drive, some like to corner, and some like to pimp... no matter where your interests lie, the idea behind a forum like this and CL is that we can help eachother and share ideas.

is it true alot of CL members mod in waves... yeah, i'll agree to that.... however to be perfectly honest, its the same across the board even on here... ppl post and talk about their new mods on CL because its exciting and fun for them.... oh well, let it be. Lets stop all the bashing and remember that we're all apart of a community to enhance our vehicles to our suit of perfection. As time will pass I'm sure many members will learn to respect all forms of tuning and take tidbits of each style and incorporate into their own. So lets not make this a personal matter and learn to respect one another no matter what forum you are on.... because seriously, you're all starting to sound like some of these other budget forums (joke plug).

[RaCinStylez]

Lets keep in mind guys that although some of us may not like eachothers' styles I dont think we are attacking any body as a person which is why i had a problem w/ this thread to begin with. Sometimes when you are apart of something so elite such as VIP tuning you forget your place and start speaking from a high horse... I'm sure its not the intention but as time passes by and we are more familiar w/ our goals disciplines for all forms of tuning.... we start to respect the essense of what this is all about, innovation.

sometimes speaking from that angle is disrespectable to other ppl because like said earlier... we all do our cars for ourselves and it shouldn't matter if they have conservative offsets or whatnot... there are cons and pros of everything and we all take that into account and decide what is ultimately good for us. Some of us like to drive, some like to corner, and some like to pimp... no matter where your interests lie, the idea behind a forum like this and CL is that we can help eachother and share ideas.

is it true alot of CL members mod in waves... yeah, i'll agree to that.... however to be perfectly honest, its the same across the board even on here... ppl post and talk about their new mods on CL because its exciting and fun for them.... oh well, let it be. Lets stop all the bashing and remember that we're all apart of a community to enhance our vehicles to our suit of perfection. As time will pass I'm sure many members will learn to respect all forms of tuning and take tidbits of each style and incorporate into their own. So lets not make this a personal matter and learn to respect one another no matter what forum you are on.... because seriously, you're all starting to sound like some of these other budget forums (joke plug).



:wrd:

[Xotic sC]

What's DUNK style?

I still despise knock off rims and kits. :D

[AME_VIP]

RaCinStylez what suspension are you running now. Last pics I saw it was stock? :buck2:

[LSPinoy]

That is one of the guys that people over at CL thinks highly of...his opinions are the bible to these lemmings.

Its fun to see people throw money at thier cars and still end up looking like ass :2funny:* CL is a good example of that.* And the LS* category seems to be full of them ??? *with the exception of a few. :angel:

LOTC
Cutecboy
Retrodrive
BR1AN
ATSUO







lol wow i gets no love

[Pagong]

Lets keep in mind guys that although some of us may not like eachothers' styles I dont think we are attacking any body as a person which is why i had a problem w/ this thread to begin with. Sometimes when you are apart of something so elite such as VIP tuning you forget your place and start speaking from a high horse... I'm sure its not the intention but as time passes by and we are more familiar w/ our goals disciplines for all forms of tuning.... we start to respect the essense of what this is all about, innovation.

sometimes speaking from that angle is disrespectable to other ppl because like said earlier... we all do our cars for ourselves and it shouldn't matter if they have conservative offsets or whatnot... there are cons and pros of everything and we all take that into account and decide what is ultimately good for us. Some of us like to drive, some like to corner, and some like to pimp... no matter where your interests lie, the idea behind a forum like this and CL is that we can help eachother and share ideas.

is it true alot of CL members mod in waves... yeah, i'll agree to that.... however to be perfectly honest, its the same across the board even on here... ppl post and talk about their new mods on CL because its exciting and fun for them.... oh well, let it be. Lets stop all the bashing and remember that we're all apart of a community to enhance our vehicles to our suit of perfection. As time will pass I'm sure many members will learn to respect all forms of tuning and take tidbits of each style and incorporate into their own. So lets not make this a personal matter and learn to respect one another no matter what forum you are on.... because seriously, you're all starting to sound like some of these other budget forums (joke plug).



Great post!

I for one am guilty of such things, but now come to realize that we are all here or there (CL) for the same purpose...to modify our cars and enjoy each other's success. :smitten:

[UpTownGS]

Great post!

I for one am guilty of such things, but now come to realize that we are all here or there (CL) for the same purpose...to modify our cars and enjoy each other's success. :smitten:


cool so does that mean if I ever head out to a VIPstylecars meet I won't have to swap out to my other wheels w/ more aggressive offsets?

b/c its sort of a bish to swap out wheels every few weeks.

[RaCinStylez]

RaCinStylez what suspension are you running now.* Last pics I saw it was stock?* *:buck2:


im saving up for some air suspension now, I should have everything up and running in a few months.

[V8_Aristo]

cool so does that mean if I ever head out to a VIPstylecars meet I won't have to swap out to my other wheels w/ more aggressive offsets?

b/c its sort of a bish to swap out wheels every few weeks.


Why not use the more aggressive wheels in the 1st place. *::)

[UpTownGS]

im saving up for some air suspension now, I should have everything up and running in a few months.
but how are you going to race when you have air suspension.... c'mon make up your mind!

[UpTownGS]

Why not use the more aggressive wheels in the 1st place. ::)
because I dont like cleaning them all the time and risk damaging them. Besides... I'm searching for some other wheels that I really want from Andrews.

[RaCinStylez]

but how are you going to race when you have air suspension.... c'mon make up your mind!


lolz...I guess ill have to change my screen name then... :D

[Pagong]

cool so does that mean if I ever head out to a VIPstylecars meet I won't have to swap out to my other wheels w/ more aggressive offsets?

b/c its sort of a bish to swap out wheels every few weeks.


You can always put the different set of wheels on the other side, to have that mad JDM Tyte look yo!

[UpTownGS]

You can always put the different set of wheels on the other side, to have that mad JDM Tyte look yo!
20's on 1 side.. and 19's on the other???? tsk tsk tsk :D

[eurospec]

actually I can assure you that nothing would happen unless you ran it like that forever... I have chassis come in everyday that have 11x22 on one side and 10x20 on the other side (I know many of you don't get this unless you work in the maritime/trucking industry) with no damage after a 1,000+ mile trip... however, we still charge them to fix the improper repair :2funny:... got to make a living some how.


-Rick

[RA40]

Modding a car in my view is done to the drivers taste, whether it is following a particular style or what. Many do what they can on a particular budget so that effects one's choices. I do like the Cima that is the first post in the thread. I feel it's sad to lay such heavy feelings on a particular group because they hold different views in modding their cars.

While I was there in Feb, I saw a range of cars some like we see in the mags to those that are conservative and modded on a budget. I wouldn't say they were much different than some of the cars seen in the US. All done to varying tastes. Not all the cars I saw on the roads had stretech tires with massive off-sets. The average I observed were lowered to the top of the tires on springs with a staggered wheelset, maybe an exhaust tip.

YMMV.

[eurospec]

budget? what is a budget? this is VIPstylecars, not brokeasschildrenstyle.com.





-Rick

[Xotic sC]

budget? what is a budget? this is VIPstylecars, not brokeasschildrenstyle.com.





-Rick


Thank you sir. :)

[RA40]

Happy to this level of passion among you and the no-limit approach. To each your own and of course, it's your car to do as you wish. :)

[Pagong]

Hey RA40 do you still have your Celica?

Welcome aboard man.

[nyARISTO]

How about.....
Lovely vent *:D
http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/3462/P10100141.JPG


but i have vents too..... do i looose points
http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/3631/aristoblack.jpg
http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/3631/CIMG0027_-aristo.jpg

[RA40]

Hey RA40 do you still have your Celica?

Welcome aboard man.


Hey-

(Thought I had a couple posts here but I don't check much.)

Still have the Celica. Was supposed to have it done last year for the TORC meet but spent the $$ on other things.* :uglystupid2: Now that the Tein Comfort Sports are out, I have been thinking of those. Wife is going back in March, I've been teasing her about bringing them back... ::)*

[One Ton VIP]

Didn't bother reading too much of this thread... but I notice that those CL people tend to be quite a bit more close-minded in the way they view cars... they could easily say they don't like something for some reason, but it's sorta stupid to say something like "that's the ugliest thing I've ever seen"... and without any sort of substance backing that opinion up either. I now see why there *are* CL-bashers.

[clearstar society]

Didn't bother reading too much of this thread... but I notice that those CL people tend to be quite a bit more close-minded in the way they view cars... they could easily say they don't like something for some reason, but it's sorta stupid to say something like "that's the ugliest thing I've ever seen"... and without any sort of substance backing that opinion up either. I now see why there *are* CL-bashers.


Sometimes things are so ugly, that they need no explanation :crazy2:

[RobSoVip]

Sometimes things are so ugly, that they need no explanation :crazy2:


unless its the Mode Parfume F50 Cima, in which case its nothing by beautiful!

[standard125r]

I don't know anything about CL, but tuning does tend to be about one person pushing the envelope and everyone else following. I don't come on here because my car is strictly VIP. I come on here 'cuz I appreciete your cars. I spend alot of time on Mercedes and Volkswagon sites as well. I rebuild Peterbuilt trucks for a living, and do Americen Musclecars on the side. I have a 999 and a hardtail chopper that I built. I just love stuff with motors. I appreciate people who can say that isn't my style, but it's cool if you like it. Most people can't afford the risk that's involved in buying 10 sets of wheels to find just the right set up. Maybe not everyone can say I love 1200 HP small block powered 69 Camaros, but everyone can say I appreciate the work that went into that. Just like I'd rather have a Mercedes then a Lexus or and Infinity, I STILL APPRECIATE OTHER PEOPLES EFFORTS. I'll include this pic for your enjoyment, and comments. Peace.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/standar125r/IMG_1522.jpg

[Pagong]

I think everybody here is a "car enthusiast", but you are missing the point of the forum.

This is a VIP STYLE car forum, in which cars that are styled the VIP way is the norm. We are discussing why VIP will tend to be a little bit skewed when westerners tries to do the style.

I for one like that muscle car you posted, but really it is irrelevant to this forum. It doesnt do anything as far as being VIP.

[VIPLifestyle]

budget? what is a budget? this is VIPstylecars, not brokeasschildrenstyle.com.





-Rick


That would be all of the 240sx and drifting boards. :)

[standard125r]

I think everybody here is a "car enthusiast", but you are missing the point of the forum.

This is a VIP STYLE car forum, in which cars that are styled the VIP way is the norm. We are discussing why VIP will tend to be a little bit skewed when westerners tries to do the style.*

I for one like that muscle car you posted, but really it is irrelevant to this forum. It doesnt do anything as far as being VIP.




All I'm saying is that bashing someone, because their cars don't fit into your box doesn't make this a friendly place for people who don't fit into your box. I like your car, but I also like s14 Silvia's, and Z06 Corvettes.
If the VIP style is as defined as you are making it out to be then these cars are more cookiecutter then any other tuner style, because there are less bodystyles and modifications that are acceptable.
To say Americans can't build a VIP car is crazy. If we had instant access to the hundreds of kits that are available elsewhere in the world there would already be a proliferation of VIP cars here. Instead you see the same body styles with same kits. Look at the jtuned issue covered in this forum the cars are sweeeet, however, at this point they don't have enough diversity to really draw attention to the VIP Style.
I posted the pic because the work (and money) that I spent on that car could have easily gone into a VIP car, or a drift car or whatever. That effort has to be respected. Even if it's on the CL site.

[AME_VIP]

First of all this is not a generic car hobbyist site. This is vipstylecars.com I like other cars too but this is NOT the site to discuss them.
So there are JP wheels and parts on the cars at Jtuned. The owners obviously like those products possibly made some sort of sponsorship deal to get their parts at lower prices. This doesn't mean everyone here is falling over themselves for JP parts.

People here are going to continue to lecture on what VIP is and isn't. If you don't like it then use the door :)

[RobSoVip]

All I'm saying is that bashing someone, because their cars don't fit into your box doesn't make this a friendly place for people who don't fit into your box. I like your car, but I also like s14 Silvia's, and Z06 Corvettes.
If the VIP style is as defined as you are making it out to be then these cars are more cookiecutter then any other tuner style, because there are less bodystyles and modifications that are acceptable.*
To say Americans can't build a VIP car is crazy. If we had instant access to the hundreds of kits that are available elsewhere in the world there would already be a proliferation of VIP cars here. Instead you see the same body styles with same kits. Look at the jtuned issue covered in this forum the cars are sweeeet, however, at this point they don't have enough diversity to really draw attention to the VIP Style.
I posted the pic because the work (and money) that I spent on that car could have easily gone into a VIP car, or a drift car or whatever. That effort has to be respected. Even if it's on the CL site.


We love other cars too, we dont love people wanting them to be VIP when they are not.

VIP is defined, there are defined cars that are VIP, how they get modified is up to the owner, but it needs to exude a sense of class and have a bold presence that demands attention.

Americans really wont build many great VIPcars. There are exceptions to this rule, as you can see on this board. The few that acutally mod with class, do so at such a mild level that they don't create any presence.

Even if Americans had access to all of those kits, I don't think you would see a huge abundance in VIP rides. Many people who mod in the states are cheap.

Jtuned covered the major sponsered VIPcars on the west coast. AutoFashion is doing great things for our community, at the same time, they are building shop cars which have many stakeholders involved as sponsers. Therefore, many choices are limited.

Are you upset because we arent crazy about your car?

[V8_Aristo]

All I'm saying is that bashing someone, because their cars don't fit into your box doesn't make this a friendly place for people who don't fit into your box. I like your car, but I also like s14 Silvia's, and Z06 Corvettes.
If the VIP style is as defined as you are making it out to be then these cars are more cookiecutter then any other tuner style, because there are less bodystyles and modifications that are acceptable.*
To say Americans can't build a VIP car is crazy. If we had instant access to the hundreds of kits that are available elsewhere in the world there would already be a proliferation of VIP cars here. Instead you see the same body styles with same kits. Look at the jtuned issue covered in this forum the cars are sweeeet, however, at this point they don't have enough diversity to really draw attention to the VIP Style.
I posted the pic because the work (and money) that I spent on that car could have easily gone into a VIP car, or a drift car or whatever. That effort has to be respected. Even if it's on the CL site.


If I go to other automotive forums and start talking about stretched tires, curtains and negative camber, will I get a warm response? If I go to a Corvette forum and start talking about the work I've put in my Lexus, do you think they would understand? Or how about this, do you think a vegietarian understand and appreciate the effort of you making preparing and cooking a really good steak?

This is a forum for people who wants to learn more and contribute about a certain style which is the Japanese VIP style. And if you would read through the different sections (specially the photo section), you would see different projects (not just VIP) getting very good responses. But this is still a VIPstylecars forum and eventhough we are talking about a limited amout of platforms or a strict guideline in modification, that is what this forum is based on. This is not the most popular style in Japan and some would still consider it "underground", and if that's the way it's going to be there then it might as well be over here.

You said the effort has to be respected, and I can't agree with you more. But as you can see on the first post, one of the members of CL did not repect and even mocked a VIP styled car. I know you said that you have built cars in the past, so you understand how hard it is to make parts come together. You might have to fabricate, measure things a million times and even try a different route if something does not work. This is where appreciation and respect come in. On the other hand, if someone see something on a forum then gets exactly the same thing just because he or she know it's going to fit and work, then where is the effort in that?

[standard125r]

VIP is defined, there are defined cars that are VIP, how they get modified is up to the owner, but it needs to exude a sense of class and have a bold presence that demands attention.

Actually, I haven't really seen a definition yet. The cars that are being sold out of Japan right now vary greatly inside the VIP nomanclature. However, the cars in the US seem to revolve around 2 or 3 new car body styles. VIP has been around since before there was an LS, or GS.

I have recieved lots of positive comments about my car/cars. I don't need to be gratified by other people about where my cars are going. I have my own style. I just want to incorperate cool suff from everywhere into my cars.

Like I was reading about those window tables in another one of the forums. They are easily purchased from any Truck Chrome Shop in almost endless wood options, and even carbon fiber. But hey, they've been putting them in Peterbuilts for 30 years. It's just another viewpoint, a little more information then you had before, maybe you'll appreciate it maybe not. Wider viewpoints are good.

[uncle_el]

Actually, I haven't really seen a definition yet.


spend more time reading, and less time posting. then perhaps you will begin to understand. when you have your mouth open, your ears are closed.

http://vipstylecars.com/forum/index.php?topic=2620.0

http://vipstylecars.com/forum/index.php?topic=2372.0

http://vipstylecars.com/forum/index.php?topic=2609.0

it seems as though people cannot hold 2 separate ideas in their head at the same time. is a 69 corvette hot? sure. but it's not vip. is a mercedes benz e500 on hre's hot? sure, but it's not vip.

i think that most of the people on this site are car enthusiasts, and can find joy/pleasure/beauty in a variety of platforms. however, vip is a very specific term, not a broad one with a sweeping definition.

[standard125r]

No offence, because you are always spot on uncle_el, and I respect the way you conduct yourself. I have never claimed to be VIP, I haven't posted pics of my SEL AMG yet. I just don't go in for bashing someone, because they don't agree with you. There are leaders and there are followers. You are a leader, because you are always concise, direct, and on target with your responses.
Thanks for the definition clarification. :-X

[One Ton VIP]

That would be all of the 240sx and drifting boards. :)


Hey hey.. and guess where a lot of new members are from!
OUCH :(

[AME_VIP]

of course! Its the natural progression of the import scene as tastes, needs, and salary changes.

Honda to 240sx to Lexus/Infiniti/other

[Brandicus]

lol wow i gets no love


Im with you alex.. theres just no love vince :'(

Ill admit when i first got my ls I joined CL and thought it was pretty cool, I had some vision of what my car would come out as and i can tell you in confidence that image scares the hell out of me today :D I posted up my ride here without knowing or even having the slightlest clue as to what VIP style was. To be honest I was offended by some of the comments I received and I thought some people here were rather pigheaded with thier opinions. Now that I understand alittle more what vip style is, I can see that it was me being the blockhead and unreceptive fool (give me a break im younger than most of you). So basically even though my ride has not yet met my standards I have set for it as far as styling goes I just want to thank everyone who has taken the time to help me understand. through my own understanding i have developed the desire to modify my car differently into something with much more potential. Hopefully in the near future I will have something that makes me drool even more everytime i look at my ride. Thanks again for showing me this wonderful movement called VIP style 8)

Oh, and the movement should not be restricted to more affluent people, anyone with the will can find a way

[Pagong]

Im with you alex.. theres just no love vince* :'(



You guys gets love from me too :smitten:

Just like a big brother who beats up thier litte brother every single day, but at the end of every single day they are still brothers and no love lost.

We are a tougher crowd here and that is good. Some may take the harsh approach as too brash...but they just have to take it and learn from it or they can leave.

VIP cars and VIP styling is not for everybody.

[pitchedup]

VIP cars and VIP styling is not for everybody.


posted an offset on a different forum and got quoted....
Originally Posted by pitchedup
22....roll your fenders and make them fit.

stupid answer

I would get 40mm and use 5mm spacers.

;D

[chandlerGTi]

http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/idiocy.jpg



At this point I almost hate to say that I don't like the pictured car :-X If it was a darker color I think I would enjoy it more. All that cream/white(I can't see the intricacies of the paint in the picture) really washes the car out. I hear what you are saying standard125r but the point has been made...this is VIPstyle. Let's see more pics of the shown car^....

[standard125r]

I admitted that I stand corrected. :-X

However if people are going to move from the drift scene to the more affuent cars, they need to view this as a friendly place where people act like adults without bashing other style cars.

I bet those wheels look wicked rolling with those diamond cuts adding another dimension to the otherwise flat faces.

[Pagong]

However if people are going to move from the drift scene to the more affuent cars, they need to view this as a friendly place where people act like adults without bashing other style cars.



We do try to be friendly up front or most of the times be a smart arsh about our remarks, but it is usually followed by a nice smiley :D

[RobSoVip]

I admitted that I stand corrected.* :-X

However if people are going to move from the drift scene to the more affuent cars, they need to view this as a friendly place where people act like adults without bashing other style cars.

I bet those wheels look wicked rolling with those diamond cuts adding another dimension to the otherwise flat faces.


We were nice a long time ago, then we kept getting these new guys who wouldn't read any of the stickied messages, or Johns whole VIPcar and VIPstyle write up on the main page of the forum, so they just assumed they knew what this place was about, then got their panties in a wad when we weren't as excited about their car as they thought we should have been. This is nothing new.

[firelizard]

Yeah, these guys are so mean! They said my Protege isn't Vip but it's silver and silver is a Vip colour!

jk, I know what you guys mean, they come by once in a while with the LA-style V.I.P thing and are surprised when they find out what this Vip is all about.

[standard125r]

It really has nothing to do with my car. I just try to be respectful of everyone.

yakuzaSoarer,
You are always the one with some negitive comment. Even this last post tries to bash me when I have admitted to being wrong. I don't understand that mentality. :idiot2:

[ebruce2]

guys, you have to accept the somewhat elitist attitude you may encounter from some members here concerning VIP vehicles and the style of modding and take it with a grain of salt. The strange part is that some of the VIP purists here who are the most critical of someone else's car often do not own VIP cars themselves. Go figure. It's no big deal to me though. The interest I have in the style by far eclipses a few condescending remarks when its all said and done. Come here, abosrb and appreciate as much as you can, and dont sweat the small stuff. 8)

Just know that this ain't no hugs & kisses-type forum... if you havent figured that out yet....lol

[Dominik]

Awww, come here and give me a hug :smitten:



:2funny:

[shawnthemonster]

its just we would rather see people actually doing some kind of vip style instead of just talking about it and going a cheap and horrable looking route (which most americans do). i think even if you ddont have a "vip" car (you know a previa/estima is hardly vip) you can pull off a vip style with some effort and you dont even need the access to all the japanese goodies. like you always hear it boils down to stance and fitment.....once you get that your golden.

[a.blanco0905]

Bump for a great read...

[jeebus]

5 year old thread man.

[a.blanco0905]

I know, still a good read... Thomas should def read it...

[firelizard]

woooah this is old.. tempted to close

[a.blanco0905]

^Why? it's a good read...

I bumped this up too not too long ago...

http://www.vipstylecars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1593

[volkgt7]

What's the point of locking/ closing new threads that noobs make about the same old stuff that's already Been discussed, if you are just going to lock the old ones that they are supposed to be referencing in the first place? Not trying to create drama..... Jus sayin'....:shrug:

[speedaddict]

I know, still a good read... Thomas should def read it...

Blanco...why do I need to read an old ass thread? Club lexus has been invaded by people that like VIP style cars now..the same cars they bashed 5 years ago. Times change, people change. We used to be elitist punks here on this site...anyone remember those days? =)

[Juzzo]

We used to be elitist punks here on this site...anyone remember those days? =)
... So your saying that that has changed, riiiight =)

[speedaddict]

man...start post diggin Juzzo...you'll see what i mean...haha

[a.blanco0905]

Blanco...why do I need to read an old ass thread? Club lexus has been invaded by people that like VIP style cars now..the same cars they bashed 5 years ago. Times change, people change. We used to be elitist punks here on this site...anyone remember those days? =)

Damn, my bad...


... So your saying that that has changed, riiiight =)

For real... :pat:

[Juzzo]

For real... :pat:
So sue me, it's 5AM and I can't sleep... even after a couple beers :smiley-rofl:

[a.blanco0905]

^hmmm... u bent on a couple of beers? lol... I was agreeing wit you, lol..

[CrazyHawaiian]

http://c0016417.cdn2.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/354wsf.jpg

[flexinsteelz]

http://c0016417.cdn2.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/354wsf.jpg

Blanco = the new kingpin... bunch of nonsense when they post something..

[brainneeded]

Blanco = the new kingpin... bunch of nonsense when they post something..
:innoutrofl2:

[jeebus]

the guy just likes to stir up stuff on here. Some people love the drama:shrug:

[Juzzo]

^hmmm... u bent on a couple of beers? lol... I was agreeing wit you, lol..
Oh, misinterpretation on my part haha. Shit normal dosage to get me bent is a 24-pack with a liter of 80 proof, and maybe a few puffs if I'm feeling freaky :smiley-rofl:

[a.blanco0905]

normal dosage to get me bent is a 24-pack with a liter of 80 proof, and maybe a few puffs if I'm feeling freaky :smiley-rofl:

:innoutrofl2:

[BAHC]

old locked threads can still be searched, read, and relevant. just no need for pointless posts 5 years later.

[VJ_400]

funny thing is club lexus still hasnt changed.