OK...I thought this was VIP style cars.com

[Caoboy]

Whats up with all these 'my car's not vip' people posting their cars, and they have nothing to do with vip or vipstyle? Can we get a lockdown or something? I don't go on zilvia.net and go 'hey guys, this is my vip car, i don't drift it' or on honda-tech.com and go 'hey guys here's my vip car, what do you think of it'.

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PEOPLE COMING HERE!?!?! I DONT GET IT, AND ITS GETTING RIDICULOUS. IF YOU DON'T OWN A VIP CAR, THEN DON'T POST HERE. ITS NOT A FORUM FOR EVERYONE, JUST LIKE MAZDASPEED FORUMS AREN'T FOR VIP CARS, AND BMW FORUMS ARENT FOR VIP CARS, AND TC'S AREN'T VIP CARS!

We don't go crash your forums, you shouldn't crash ours.

/rant.

Mods can you put this as a sticky in the beginning so we don't have to babysit anymore? This is really cluttering up the forums and it's not needed...if you don't own a vip car, or something of the sort (k-car or van or whatever that's actually accepted in this realm of dressing up cars) then you need to quit coming here.


People wonder why the majority of us act like elitists, maybe it's because all you people who have nothing to do with vip, come here, and show off your cars of NOTHING RELEVANT TOWARDS THE STYLE. It's like showing us apples, when we like oranges, WTF is your malfunction?

[Caoboy]

I have an idea.


How about we setup a questionnaire regarding peoples cars, and what not when they register. If they don't have an accepted car, they don't register. I'll personally go through every day when I get home from work and filter out these registrations. That way, we can just stop this nonsense already.

[DriftGirl]

The problem with that is a VIP car owner may have another car that they've built and would like to share with friends theyve come to know here at VSC. Ya never know what people have in their garage.

There are some people that dont have a VIP car but enjoy the style. They may be planning to build one or looking for ideas to start their new projects. If we lock it down to those who already have VIP cars, then newbs will look towards the media,HIN or any other outlet that commonly combines VIP with DUB,Euros,etc.

[OG]

i think you might be taking this a little to seriously... i'll leave it at that.

[DEE]

You are one funny guy........are you mad??? Just don't read their posts lol.....or go take a relaxing drive around downtown modesto....lol

[augdogg]

Actually, If I owned a site like this, it wouldn't matter who and/or how many ppl wanted to join up cuz ultimatly this IS a business and as much of an interest is it is to me, money IS a factor. So, after this site is poppin w/ ppl, owners can just sell it for big bucks. So the more the marry'er.

[firelizard]

Just make them post builds in Off-Topic. Or, have sub-section for non-Vip car photos, like the one we have for non-car photos.

I like seeing things other than Vip cars here, it makes it a one-stop auto entertainment stop for me.

It's the "how do I maek Vipz?" that bother me, but we already have half a dozen stickies and a front page article that they still don't read.

[ScottyTuned]

Welcome to forums! And Im sorry, but its post like yours that make it seem elitist. Like said above, some have multiple cars, some take styling cues, and some just are admirers. You're on a forum of STYLE. Not a forum of Benz. Not a forum of Mazdaspeed. How do you define a Mazdaspeed car? One that is Mazdaspeed. Benz? It is a Benz. VIP style though? Hell 75% of the people here cant agree besides low and wide. They cant justify what platforms look right, and which dont. It's not a unanimous clear cut category like BMWs are. The offtopic section with non-vip rides seems like the way to go. Who gives two kicks if theyre here or not, admiring the pics and posting theres in offtopic. It only gives VSC more traffic, thus more people wanting to advertise. Hell, those people might break the mold and learn something from the OGs of the site. If you have the time to filter out all the applicants (which is dumb in itself. Theres some Fits and Civics that outdo Q45s and LS here sadly). Will you look at their mods and decide? Why dont you take that time to sift thru the forums themselves and see what you actually want to read. Ive been here less and less because some of the arrogance on this site towards accepting people. DX_JP (I believe it was him) was making some Kias more badass than 95% on this board. I say we stop the damn bickering and just read waht you want to read, and look at the pics you want to look at. Lets stop the elitist attitude of being "OMG I BOUGHT A 45000 DOLLAR STOCK CAR AND AM VIP". Feels like freaking CL up in here. Personally, Im more than happy people come here. How many of the member JUST post pics and never read? I think some will gain at least a little bit of knowledge outta this site and maybe further the VIP style cause. /Rant myself

[DriftGirl]

I can understand the frustration but just flag the threads and a mod will come clean it up. we'll do our best to keep it as seemless as possible to members....

hang in there guys :biggthumpup:

[Caoboy]

It's the media that's washing this up too. They are mislabling stuff as 'vip' and 'bippu' and whatever else they choose to associate this style with. And it's not the people who are showing other cars they have built that im disgruntled with. It's the people who come here, show off their car, that has NOTHING to do with this style at all.

There are plenty of us who have built different cars, and show them off here. That's no plm. BUT, it's the ones who come here and show off their civics, and mazdaspeed cars, and bmw x5's and all this other stuff that doesn't really belong here. That's what I'm disgruntled about.

[firelizard]

Huh? Mazdaspeed is an OE line-up lol that's how it's decided. If I see a Mazdaspeed Vip car my brain will implode :runcoold:

(ps: I'm answering the first part of Scotty's last post...I just didn't quote)

[zion_97]

eeehh...I agree to an extent...allthough I do get tired of those dumb posts and what not to me its not going to stop...unless there is an entrance exam...lol

EX..
MAZDA = VIP True or False..........FAIL well actuall only the 929 (sentia) the rest FAIL....
FORD Focus = VIP True or False..........FAIL
HONDA Civic = VIP True or False..........FAILLexus LX = VIP True or False............PASS
Infiniti Q45 = VIP True or False............True
Jaguar = VIP True or False............True
Mercedes= VIP True or False............True............and so on


hee hee hee you guys no who you are with those small cars trying hard to survive in this big V8 4 door sedan world of VIP as we know it.....:dance:

I feel your fustration coaboy but you know they will still post and post and post and post some more...I guess we can't segregate here on this forum...

One of the things that attracted me to this site when I first started lurking was that it was all about platform and traddition .. One of the main reasons why I joined but that has been lost a long time ago and now its more about VIP STYLE Cars what ever kind it is..so sad so sad..but what are you gunna do...
fo ge tabout it:shrug: .......................................just stay true to yourself and your style and show these fools how we do it so they can get it right on there 2nd or 3rd attempt...

[firelizard]

I like the idea of an entrance exam, as long as it's based on undestanding Vip culture and styling, not platform biased. Dajap's xB is one of the sickest boxes I've ever seen, and I would definitely call it Vip styled. If the forum excluded based on platform, we'd have never seen it. On the opposite side, we've had Mercedes, Infiniti, w/e owners who were complete knobs with no intention of Vip styling, and they ended up leaving anyways.

So, yeah, screening the people, not their cars would be a good step imo.

[augdogg]

hee hee hee you guys no who you are with those small cars trying hard to survive in this big V8 4 door sedan world of VIP as we know it.....:dance:

Ummm.. I-6 can hold it's own as well..:rules:

[zion_97]

I like the idea of an entrance exam, as long as it's based on undestanding Vip culture and styling, not platform biased. Dajap's xB is one of the sickest boxes I've ever seen, and I would definitely call it Vip styled. If the forum excluded based on platform, we'd have never seen it. On the opposite side, we've had Mercedes, Infiniti, w/e owners who were complete knobs with no intention of Vip styling, and they ended up leaving anyways.

So, yeah, screening the people, not their cars would be a good step imo.
that was just an example..but yeah culture and its roots..maybe their could be a read this artical about VIP STYLE...then take the exam and pass your in fail your out..but would be great to see a statement once you passed like this....

Now that you have read and past this exam dont ask stupid questions like is this VIP???? Can a Ford Focus be VIP, Can a Dirt bike be VIP and so on..now you know what is and is not excepted..enjoy the forum!

[zion_97]

Ummm.. I-6 can hold it's own as well..:rules:
whats an I-6????

[augdogg]

whats an I-6????

I respect your work and your car is nice, but that's the kind of engine in my car. AKA 2JZGE, Inline 6.

[ScottyTuned]

How you gonna say a Civic is less than VIP styled than a Jag? Did you not see the Jag lowrider posted today? I can post up some Accords and Civics that blow 99% of the cars here outta the water. I also think it is hilarious that you put 3 as true, but only one of those actual cars is a VIP platform as definted by the president of Junction Produce. Therefore the rest are just styled too! This damn arrogance is what kills this site honestly. I dont think it is the fact more people are coming on, I think "you" people (referring to you big V8 4 door sedan guys) are becoming more elitist and thinking higher and higher of yourself. Sorry if this is a wrong way to interpret your actions and posts. You talk about segregating the groups as if you're better than anyone too! I guess spraying painting your interior all wood isnt faking the funk, and is all real! As is elmers glue and tons of crystals from Joann fabric.

Firelizard, that was exactly my point. Benz, BMW, and Mazdaspeed are easily defined. Theres no doubts like there are in styling categories, such as VIP.

Im sorry, but some of "you" are so arrogant and elitist. I dont know if you exactly have to worry about them posting, I just have a feeling most people will leave (including the people from the original site *back when I liked the people in this culture*) because the relative noobs are self proclaimed experts on everything here and want to segregate. Funny thing to know that my car hit VIP/EXE style (no matter what my try) before you even got up to the plate! I guess Ill just keep lagging behind you big boys....

[DEE]

imagine how little slow this forum would be if you got rid of everyone without a "VIP PLATFORM" ride lol...

[augdogg]

Hey Scotty dude, I see both of your points, but you would have to agree that your reaction to what he is sayin is just extreme of a view if not more. I think you two would make great friends!

[OG]

screening people? wtf? most people come here to learn about something they don't know a lot about (i know i did), and the single most important thing i learned was what its really about. that didn't happen until i started buying mags, which would have never happened without this site. it didn't have anything to do with culture or tradition. its about the styling of cars. and honestly, unless you bought a late model platform with the intention of building a vip car you just stumbled upon a puzzle with a piece that happened to fit. if you had a $5000 car, found a site that said x car was the s**t, and that made you feel good, then great. but don't mistake that with being a vip overlord. i'm not saying this in defense of non-platform cars, i'm saying this in defense of people trying to learn about something that is cool. who cares what somebody came with, thats what they had before they learned about something new. dudes with brand new mazdas, bmw, even fords could dip there toes in vip styling, decide it was for them, sell their car, and buy 3 old q's, gs's, etc. you guys give all this love to someone who pops up with a platform and doesn't know anything. same guy shows up with a non-platform and you want to put the site on lock-down? whatever. i respect everybody who posted in this thread (1 or 2 i don't recognize) as someone who knows their s**t, but sometimes you guys need to hop down off the soap box.

[OG]

I guess spraying painting your interior all wood isnt faking the funk, and is all real! As is elmers glue and tons of crystals from Joann fabric.
:thumbsdown: bad taste. you shouldn't have to attack someone's skills to make a point.

[ScottyTuned]

Yea it is extreme, but I only said that to make a point. I think this thread and the attitudes that so many of the members are terrible. Most are very elitist and opininated, whether justified or not. You can ask any xB owner, Im a stickler for the style. I just dont think being an ass is justified in teaching newer members on how to do things correctly. (which is understnadable with so few role models realistically)

As for the argument of media, good luck changing it. JDM is still a catch phrase isnt it?

[ScottyTuned]

Im not attacking his skills. Hes got incredible skills. I actually had thought about sending parts to him because I think it looks amazing. You can see in his posts how much props I gave him. Does that make it real wood grain though? My point to be taken is that maybe all of us lack a little authenticity.

[OG]

its all good with me, but hats the kind of things that turn exchanges of opinion into fights. i think there is a serious lack of authenticity in vip period. i've never seen so many parts that put so much effort into looking like something, but thats what it is and i except it cause it looks good.

[vzuptnguyen]

i think you might be taking this a little to seriously... i'll leave it at that.


lol....wayyy to seriously man. this is just a forum. chill out.

maybe go work as a bouncer or something. we dont need that shit here.

[OG]

lol... i forgot i was supposed to leave it at that.

[DriftGirl]

seriously, you have to look into the their posts as well to see where they're comin from. A couple of the cars mentioned have owners that want to switch cars to build a VIP car.


I (For the record) am not into the whole elitist membership type deal.

[OG]

more than that, theres too much unmapped territory. i would have never thought a '90 (i think) accord could look good until i saw it with my own eyes.

[vzuptnguyen]

I respect your work and your car is nice, but that's the kind of engine in my car. AKA 2JZGE, Inline 6.


i feel the same man. the work on your car is nice...but to ask what an I6 is...

that should be a entrance exam questions for all you hardcores tryna push for it.

[VIP-UCF]

wow...there's a lot i can say here...but i'll keep it civil...

don't let VIP run your life...it's a hobby...don't take things so seriously...as long as things are posted in the correct forum topic, i don't see an issue...although this is a VIP car website, does not mean it has to be 100% VIP discussions and posts...

this forum is pretty active and thats a positive thing...if we kick most of the people out, this website will be semi-dead...

people have a preconcieved notion of what VIP is and think they know but they don't...so they post here thinking they have a VIP styled accord, or tc, or civic...its up to us (the people that actually know) to school them (or bash them depending how they come across, haha)...

i agree, some newbs do think they know all about VIP but they only know what's on the surface...they only know about which kits are out there, what offsets look good, what accessories are cosidered VIP, etc...and there's nothing wrong with that...it becomes an issue when someone is told something about VIP or they read it somewhere without having first hand knowedge on the subject...so they post up the info they heard second hand as if it was the truth...but little do they know, they are completely misinformed...this was part of the reason why i got banned here the first time...i called a person out on it and it became a stupid internet squabble...


besides, most of the cars that are posted on here are trash and look like garbage...i don't post anything, i just let them think they're cool...and the cars that are nice, i appreciate nice work when i see it...

when i first got into VIP, i though i was on the right track with my sunset lemans, l-tuned kit, tte spoiler, greddy exhaust and puddle lights...boy was i wrong...some people will get it, and some won't...

sure, some civics will outdo q45's and LS...but if you match them up...civic has rims, q/ls has rims...civic has kit, q/ls has kit, etc..the q and ls will put the civic to sleep (in this community)...if you posted the same info on a diehard civic or accord forum, they hate the way our cars look...it s subjective dude...you are badly misinformed...sadly, i don't thin this vip thing is for you...

btw, civics aren't even in the same book as a jaguar...

[VIP-UCF]

i feel the same man. the work on your car is nice...but to ask what an I6 is...

that should be a entrance exam questions for all you hardcores tryna push for it.

that should be an entrance exam question to cars in general...sorry zion...i-6 is pretty basic...its like asking "what does lol stand for"

[vzuptnguyen]

that should be an entrance exam question to cars in general...sorry zion...i-6 is pretty basic...its like asking "what does lol stand for"
i guess we should also ask zion if he knows what a "V4" is. hahahhahaha. i bet that would trick half the idiots on all forums.



but seriously, dont ruin the image of VIP cars and start fighting over stupid shit like the other car tuners do. like saying my car is faster blah blah and start fighting at meets and having drive-bys.

[Caoboy]

No, now you guys are taking this out of context. You aren't getting it. I'm talking about the people who post here, with NOTHING vip styled on their car, no mention of it, just ' oh, this is my car. do you like it?' It's like WHY would you do it? WHhat was the point of posting your car here? It's not even in an offtopic thread. It's not the elitist attitude i'm trying to achieve, but it's more rather that you need to keep the style a style, and not let it get diluted with crap that doesn't belong.


Yes, I agree that those xA's and xB's and Fits that are styled CORRECTLY should be here. They are clean.

BUT the 3 tC ownwers who posted here that have NOTHING to do with the style, and were like, yeah these are our scion's do you like them? WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE LIKE THEM? they have nothing to do with this style, they don't even come CLOSE to it.

I don't get it, and it's rediculous that we are allowing this to happen. Pretty soon you are going to see a bunch more people rocking curtains and calling their beat up cars vip. why? because we are going to have to allow that since they want to come here and see what they can do with their car that has NOTHING to do with the style.

Way to keep this forum true to it's roots, and not let it wash out, which is what will happen if you don't screen people.

Make them send a picture of their car, and post up why they want to come here, what they can contribute etc etc. Is it that hard?

maybe there wouldn't be so many arguments from uneducated (on the style) people that break out because all these people don't know what they are talking about. How about not seeing threads that pop up every other day about 'is this vip' or 'what can i do to make my car vip'

THATS why I'm saying we need to start screening people. What about the thousands of members that have registered? HOW MANY of those people have you ever seen post? Really, I can say there are only a handful of members that contribute anything, even lurking. Look at the ratio of active members to just people who have registered.

[firelizard]

For clarification, I don't mean screening people on actual Vip knowledge, because that wouldn't be fair - a lot come here to learn.

But if they had to read some articles, then answer the questions, that would help. Like those reading comprehension tests in grade school. Besides, that way we know they read the materials.

[ScottyTuned]

Black, I apologize. I guess it did look rather bad. Im not trying to start a "fight". Im trying to make those questioning the "open" membership rule see their extreme flaws.

So are we really going to crack down on non-posting members? You are really getting absurd about this honestly. Some post, but have dreams of VIP, whether they post "I WANT TO BE VIP" or not. Correct me if Im wrong, but if we did pic checks before allowing on the site, who would be here? How many members came on this site with a VIP styled car already done? Can we kick out the people with stock Qs and LSs? Kick out the guys with the stock LS460 that roll up in here. They never say they overtly want to be VIP styled, as some have been fairly stock for a LONG time on here. Can we set a time limit on how quickly they have to mod their car too?! Thatd be peachy!

I hate a tC owner as much as any other xB guy, but are you really going to kick them out becasue they have a non platform car. Do you know why someone such as me might appreciate there car (albeit it not VIP styled)? Im a car fanatic. Im a TRUE enthusiast, not a fair weather fan who can only like one facet of vehicular styling. Im sorry, but you are getting NO WHERE on convincing me of any limitations towards new members. If it is REALLY bothering you that much, take a break and leave the forums. It sounds like you are entirely too deeply rooted in this. None of us here are true Yakuza gangsters or whatever, like said above it is a hobby (and for some a job). You act like the world will implode if we get a guy with a nicely styled G35 on here or something. My suggestion: take a little break from forums, and see if a breather will help you.

[JN.FYC]

I feel ya Caoboy,we need another forum like "Ziptied" but for VSC.

[zion_97]

I just gotta say that so what I dont really know about engines..thats why I take my shit to a mechanic...VIP is not about lets see who can go faster..take that shit to the fast and furious forum..hahaha...I could care less what VIP-UCF ,augdogg,vzuptnguyenthink about my knowledge or lack there of engine size or types..I am not into VIP for the speed..alls I know is I got a V8 and yeah WTF is a V4..thats like couple of donkeys pulling a wagon anyways....

and ScottyTunedI have made a lot of money with my airbrush skills..I have painted true fire on helmets motorcycles and cars..that is very hard to do and its not trying to make you think the car is on fire its taking air brush skillz to the next level..same as the wood..if I dont paint the parts I want then I would have to ship them out to get water printed..WTF is the difference..except it take more talent to paint realistic looking wood than just dipping it in chemicals..My car has no real OEM wood period as well as alot of older and newer high end luxury cars..lots of them have this plasic wood grain like the Q's..some newer cars have really thin vanier sheets of real wood grain...the day that you can do what I can do with an air brush will be the day that I will respect your words...

I read and researched lots of material across the net and found alot of facts about VIP style..and like folks in Japan I just happen to push the envelope with my interior..lots of folks gave me shit when I started blinging out my interior starting with my grill..now look we got way more members doing what I have been doing..no I dont by garson premaid products cuase I dont justify the price so I do DIY's...the real folks in Japan would tell you any day of the year that DIY's are way more VIP than store bought items...why do you think they do so much to thier cars and you see shit you cant find in magazines...becuase they DIY them...so enough said you guys can TRY to clown my painting skills and my lack of engine knowledge but I ride lower than lots of you and go through lots of hell keeping my car as close to the ground as possible..that shit right der is what VIP is about...I may have to walk or simply cant go places becuase my car is to low but my shit does look hella tight..in my book...maybe not in VIP-UCF eyes but eeehhh he has his own style and I have mine....dont really care one way or another..when I roll I turn heads day and night...period!

[Caoboy]

and, like rich said, "turning heads..." You don't do that with those non vip platforms that come here and look absurd with posting their cars here. Maybe on their own forums they are happy with it. but WHY, WHY, WHY come here. It's stealing bandwith showing off a car that has no meaning here. OneTon said it well..in a thread not too old " How about a forum jack?" That's what I mean. Get it?

Some people see it the way I do, and a lot don't. A lot of you say that it's rude to kick out or not let those people register. I say if you don't have the goods, you don't need to be here. Think of it as a club, and you need to meet the requirements to come here. why not eh? We'd have a lot less headaches, rather than feel like a broken record.

[augdogg]

I just gotta say that so what I dont really know about engines..thats why I take my shit to a mechanic...VIP is not about lets see who can go faster..take that shit to the fast and furious forum..hahaha...I could care less what VIP-UCF ,augdogg,vzuptnguyenthink about my knowledge or lack there of engine size or types..I am not into VIP for the speed..alls I know is I got a V8 and yeah WTF is a V4..thats like couple of donkeys pulling a wagon anyways....

Yos, you don't gotta be a dick! I was bein cool w/ a minor correction. Not only did I NOT mention anything about power or the CRAP you brought up, I RESPECTFULLY gave you props. My advice, before you type READ!!! Lost points here dog.

[kaizer]

Most probably my two cents isn't worth a penny to you guys, but here it is...

A quote from the person who started it all... (the site that is)

Back in 2000, when I first got the GS400, it was decided that the car would be a daily driver and I would keep it simple. However, like always that changed when I began to research what other parts were available in Japan and not here in the US. I picked up my first Hyper Rev book for the JZS161 Toyota Aristo, with the intention of finding rims for my GS. However, it wasn't the Blitz or Sard Aristo that caught my eye, it was the Aristos from the companies like Fabulous, Sessions, and of course Junction Produce. There began this obsession for this thing called VIP Style Cars.

VIP Style or VIP car is very simple. Pronounced VIP or bippu not vee-eye-pee, like how we are used to saying it, but it is pronounced like a word. In Japan there is a large variety of luxury sedans available to purchase. VIP car starts with just that, the platform or the car. It’s not a VIP Car unless it starts with one of these cars. From Toyota, you have the Century, Celsior, Aristo, Crown, and Majesta. From Nissan you have the President, Cima, Gloria, Cedric, and the Q45. Then they take these platforms and merge on a massive body kit, larger rims that push the boundaries of offset fitment, an air suspension so that they can drive as low as they possibly can, and we can't forget about the exhausts that goes on these VIP Cars. Now, taking these aspects of a VIP Car, you then apply it to cars not accepted as a VIP Car. This in turn created a term I like to define as VIP Style Cars. There is a difference in Japan in regards to a VIP Car and lets say a K-Car or Style Wagon. All those styles bring up similar aspects of VIP Car but what makes a VIP Car “VIP” is the car itself. Taking the aspects that was started in Japan with the VIP Cars and merging them onto cars that aren't really considered VIP car platforms. You now see K-cars (Vitz, Scion, and other econo-box cars), vans (Oddessy and Previas) and many other vehicles (G35, IS300, 300Zs) with a heavy VIP Style influence. That also has trickled into our US market with the Scions xA and xB. European cars can fall within the “definition of a VIP car” but isn't as popular of a platform mainly because of an untold requirement. VIP Car has a sense of pride within the Japanese community on its luxury vehicles. However, I am now seeing shows like the Tokyo Special Import Car Show similar to Tokyo Auto Salon now being invaded by Junction Produce, Fabulous, and Auto Couture. When they build their car, they immense themselves in the culture of VIP Car… Noburi Flags, clothing, and getting EVERY accessory that the company made like lighters, teddy bears, fans, and other things.

Fitment of the wheels has always been the largest, most defining aspect that the US market uses for VIP Cars. This also brings the most controversy as well. The most heated debates on VIPStyleCars.com came from topics concerning cars and wheel fitments. We had terms like, if it ain't flush, it ain't VIP. I agree that proper fitment is the key to making a VIP Car look good, however my whole take on it… the car determines if it's a VIP car, not the wheel choice. When I had the chance to visit Japan recently, I saw VIP cars that didn't have the extreme wheel lip that we are so used to seeing here. Yes, the offsets were extremely aggressive however; they were still flat-faced wheels with no lip whatsoever. I just don't think it looks right unless the fitment was aggressive in my opinion, which is the reason I'm personally on a quest for new wheels for our GS400.

Next is the suspension, Air suspensions have become the norm. One main reason is the fact that some of these VIP cars come with a factory installed air suspension already. All that needed to be added to control this factory option was an Air controller like one from Data Systems. This gave you the chance to lower and raise your car without changing any suspension parts. This didn't bring the car down as low as we would like it to be, so then we went and looked up companies like Air Runner, Bold World, Universal Air, Canover, and many others. You had a choice of either a canister setup or the sleeve bag on a shock option. That way, you were able to just lay the frame on the car down on the ground and still be able to drive away when its time to go. Trust me, in Japan, their roads and driveways weren't pretty, how they drove these cars around on a daily basis boggles me… Coilovers are still VERY popular for the hardcore, cause they are still able to find the height that they want for driving and show purposes and costs less than half the price of air suspension set-ups. Hydraulic setups are now being touched upon by the likes of Tein to control their coilovers and be able to raise and lower the car from within the cabin. This is only available to wagons and vans from when I last looked into it, but I'm sure now, there might be more applications and companies venturing into this.

Interiors and sound systems of these cars can get very Gotti. Wood grain and screens are the first most obvious mods on the interior. You will see Wood grain trays on these cars. Screens for Navigation and of course, Video viewing is dominant. The sound systems I saw were very elaborate like the ones were see here in CES. One some cars, I saw wood grain all over the trunk to accent the subs that were stuffed in there.

Lastly, the body kits… Companies like Fabulous, Junction Produce, Wald, Veilside, Sessions, Auto Couture, Insurance, and many others offer a variety of styles to choose from. The defining factor is the size of these kits. They are never “puny” but more an elaboration of the factory lines. You can choose from the more milder, cleaner look like from Junction Produce, Admiration and Auto Couture. Then you can choose the aggressive lines like Fabulous, LA club, and Veilside. Then the EXTREME VIP Cars will come out with custom wide bodies and fender flares that will just make you take a double take more than once (even if that's not possible). Taking a cue from the wheels aspect of it, they then take the most widest wheel with the most aggressive offset possible and just bolt those onto the car with no problems.

Where does this all fit into the US market? With companies whose operations are based here are now trying to define the VIP market as Bentleys, Benzes, and other high end Euro cars, it basically leaves out the cars where it all began with for me, The Lexus GS and LS, and the Infiniti M and Q series. Yes, the US automobile market may not have the choice of Japanese luxury cars found in Japan but we make do with what we are provided. However the view of VIP Car or VIP Style Cars is being EXTREMELY skewed in the US and leaves the hardcore VIP Car enthusiast with a sour taste in its mouth. VIP Car starts with the platform first. 350Zs, G35s, Scions, Accords, and other cars are defining the VIP Style Car… VIP Style Cars was mainly a term devised to help define the difference from a VIP Car platform and a car accessorized with VIP styling. This website has room for everyone. I created this site for the reason to give these people a home to learn and educate each other. Whether you own a VIP Car or own a VIP Style Car… Yes, we will have to define our own definition of VIP Style Cars but we can't stray too far from the foundation of it all. There will be those of us who will stick to our VIP Car platforms and those who will decide that their Scion fits the platform as well. Both sides are correct in that matter. What is wrong is to decide that our VIP Car platforms are not acceptable platforms

And here's the main page tagline...

.:Welcome to VIPStyleCars.com:.
The Premier Site for VIPcar & VIPstyle Enthusiasts Worldwide!


My point of concern is why is this site turning into a vipcar only playground? Even the domain name stated it clearly, it's www.vipstylecars.com not www.vipcar.com

I can't accept the idea of people trying to dilute the VIP styling cues for their own interpretation, but I can accept it being more open to more non traditional platform and all. Just like Kcars, vans, suvs and etc...

[~AC]

To me, you have to kind of let some things slide n not snap at everyone. It's like trying to kill every army ant with a ball peen hammer for looking for water in the kitchen! I personally feel that everyone that signs up here should read all the way through Dominik's Y32 thread (dayim!), Then I think VIP will make sense to people that don't understand it. But what I'm getting at is if you post a simple thread telling people what VIP was, there would ALWAYS be 2 or 3 people that post to ask "What's VIP anyway?." Thats what the moderators are for :)

I understand why it's annoying, it's like someone going on a deer hunting website asking for advice on cross stitch! WTH!?!?!

[Caoboy]

Just because it's vipstylecars.com doesn't mean you can call anything a vip car. Hence why i'm irritated. There have been plenty of valuable members who left because this forum has been flooded with people who don't know what is up.

That's always peoples' defense when they don't have a vip car, 'oh its vip style cars .com' so what right does that give you to post up? just because certain other cars are 'accepted', doesn't mean your prelude, or rx7 or 240sx are.

Go look through the mags...you don't see a lot of cars that come here in them. Look at VIPcar. Look at vipstyle even, it's not as widespread as people think and think it's accepted because some stupid article in superstreet said that you can vip 'style' anything or do your car up 'auto luxury' style (another stupid made up american term that used to float around here a bit before it was crushed)


Go look through the photo threads that gato posts up. Do you see most of the cars that i'm talking about there? NO. Why? Because they don't get done up that way.

And you know what? notice how (besides black on black and firelizard) none of the people who don't really have the 'correct' platforms don't post up in this thread? because they know that what i have stated is pretty much correct. quit using excuses and get the correct car already. aside from those named above, who actually are contributing members with non platform cars. you feel me?

[urmyhero4now]

Im not attacking his skills. Hes got incredible skills. I actually had thought about sending parts to him because I think it looks amazing. You can see in his posts how much props I gave him. Does that make it real wood grain though? My point to be taken is that maybe all of us lack a little authenticity.


that was a very thought out point scotty..i feel we need to stop bashing the young gunners and teach them what is and whats not vip.its a style yes. regardless if people want to belive vip is a lifestyle or just a style of tuning. And it needs to be held that this is the style...now go build your interpretation of what i just taught you and see how you do. Like all the you think i should do these rims or these ones? or the other threads of is this vip? i dont like em. because people dont think for themselves...try to ask questions and be educated but dont be a puppet.

[kaizer]

Suggest to have tiers in the forum then.

The generic ones open for all where the idea is the educate the right path for newbies and for non true platform kiddie pool, and the elite corner for 'true playaz' to mingle around and talk pure platform with their slick shit. Lock it up (read only) too for good measure so that those nooooooobs can't irritate you all with funny/stupid questions.

Read only becuz it's good to learn what is true platform and why it's so important. Also able to see how the true playaz is pimpin their rides and all.

What do you think?

[ScottyTuned]

Zion, you really lack reading skills I feel. You blantantly missed the part where I gave you crazy props on your skill. Did you not see it in your own thread about the wood? Ive tried airbrushing, but it's not my thing. I dont have the knack. Im more at home with engines and body work. I think it's also funny how damn hypocritical you can be in choosing what you want to see and read. You accept all the Japanese cues of DIY with crystals and whatever. I did this thru my own lip kit and my own custom parts. You seem to forget the VIP meets they have that include K-cars and other non traditional platforms you have historically bagged on in the forums.

As for ride height, we are in a different ball game I have a feeling. Your low is a totally differnet thing than what I consider low. Until you start clipping interstate reflectors with your front bumper, you're not low enough. Oh, and that is daily on coilovers.

Scotty

[ScottyTuned]

Kaizer, that's getting better. I have a feeling a lot of the tier would go off post count however, and some of the lower post count people are out working on the cars while the higher post count people are e-modders talking some big game. Best idea so far though sir!

[kaizer]

Post count means nothin if it's without facts.

I'd say, since there's only 2 type of members interpretation round here... True Platform and Rest of the World.

Just manually add em into groups with special privileges (posting and access rights). That would be sweet, ya?

[ScottyTuned]

If you were to do the picking like that, do it by knowledge of the VIP world and not by platform. I know some LS members who dont know asses from elbows. Then again I know some people that know xAs like no other. Hard to choose on merit of vehicle at the time.

[mdenoga]

Steve 'Caoboy' I cannot agree with you more. And yes we should close these threads if they have nothing to do with vip in the first place. Though if the member is asking for help, then it shouldn't be deleted at all. But this is the type of repetitive thrads which is driving me off this forum. For those who do not know, I have given the staff recently a notice that I may be leaving. There are the people who think they know it all about VIP and instead of teaching the young ones they like to give them the stick. Then we have the newbies who love to ask "Is this VIP??" If you seriously have to ask if your car is VIP, then it is a good chance that it is not.

Actually, If I owned a site like this, it wouldn't matter who and/or how many ppl wanted to join up cuz ultimatly this IS a business and as much of an interest is it is to me, money IS a factor. So, after this site is poppin w/ ppl, owners can just sell it for big bucks. So the more the marry'er.

:thelaw: The owner, who is ironically M.I.A., did not create this forum to earn "big bucks" but instead to promote VIP Tuning. If you knew what type of guy the owner VIPStyleCars is, you would know that money is definitely not a factor in his family, cars, etc. He would never allow this forum to accumulate with non-vsc enthusiasts just to increase hits/membership count.

EVERYONE PLEASE READ THE FIRST POST AGAIN. WE ARE GETTING SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC.

[kaizer]

Well, their main concern now is platform?

[//935GS400]

is vip this is vip that. Lets just keep the original vip platforms ie aristo, fuga, celsior ,etc vip and the other big body rwd sedan platforms such as 300c, jags, mercs, bmws, vip style. At least those models are acceptable. There not the original vip platforms but have the same body type that really makes VIP. VIP is a style that goes with luxury that gives a mean aggressive gangster look only Big Body Sedans projects. Once you start putting in lancers, civics, and all those other econo cars, it just defeats the purpose of what vip style is suppose to be. Cmon leave those econo cars for fastnfurios...its not the style that makes vip..its the platform. quoted from the Junction pres himself.

[kreasims]

I have tried my best not to post in this thread but I just can't. The more it goes, the more it becoming classic never ending debate topic such as vip platform, vip cars, vip styled cars & so on.

I do not think this thread is about platform. Its about cars that is non VIP platform and not modified to a VIP culture (i.e VIP Style cars) posted in the forum. I agree that a racing JDM style cars should not post here.

Thing is heating up because of language used to express opinion. This then lead to a never ending open debate. Members offended with other member saying.

I share the same frustration with mdenoga on this repetitive thread and I really regret when new member who have interest and admiring vip styling left before we have the chance to inform them properly.

[elpresidente]

I have tried my best not to post in this thread but I just can't. The more it goes, the more it becoming classic never ending debate topic such as vip platform, vip cars, vip styled cars & so on.

I do not think this thread is about platform. Its about cars that is non VIP platform and not modified to a VIP culture (i.e VIP Style cars) posted in the forum. I agree that a racing JDM style cars should not post here.

Thing is heating up because of language used to express opinion. This then lead to a never ending open debate. Members offended with other member saying.

I share the same frustration with mdenoga on this repetitive thread and I really regret when new member who have interest and admiring vip styling left before we have the chance to inform them properly.
Spoken like a senior member...well said.

People..we need to keep civil about these things. People that were once friendly become near enemies...over what? An opinion about cars? I mean, I have strong opinions, but at the end of the day we all share the same love...it's the reason why we're all here. I hope.

So...what do we do..where do we go from here? I'll tell you. We need to act accordingly. This is a style which garners respect, what do people do that are part of something like that? They respect one another..BUT, they also respect the style. I understand people see a style, like it, and want to jump right in, but they just don't happen to have the right car. So what do they do? They try to emulate it. Now although I appreciate their enthusiasm...I don't appreciate blasphemy. This is were the largest issue resides I believe. People think they are then "part" of that culture, but they are just not properly educated. That's what we should be here to do. Make sure these people learn things properly, learn to respect the art form and respect the true culture, but most importantly act as gentlemen and ladies...not like groveling wolves.

Can we act civilly? Can we be patient with newbs? Can we retain the prestige and class that this style is known for? Can we uphold the culture and pay respect properly to Japan and the heritage? Lets all just sit back and take a look at where things are going...and see what we can do to make sure the path is set.

[DriftGirl]

Theres a lot of frustration with the influx of new people that claim VIP this n that. Yes, It can be frustrating but Education is the key folks* :biggthumpup:



* or a freakin smack on the head if they jus dont dont 'get it' :slap:

Like I said, a simple solution would be to report the 'offending' post by clicking on thehttp://www.vipstylecars.com/forums/images/buttons/report.gif (http://www.vipstylecars.com/forums/report.php?p=115432) 'report post' icon and a mod will deal with it.

Understand that we kinda have to 'stay on the fence' when somone with a civic comes and says: "Hi, im new and this is what i curently drive(insert econo car of choice) I plan on selling it and buying a (insert VIP platform here) after I sell my current ride"

Sometimes i wanna just lock a thread when I see "Is this VIP" in the title, if youve read thru the site, you'd know without asking :slap:

[SikNLow]

aside from those named above, who actually are contributing members with non platform cars. you feel me?

Wow Caoboy..... I didn't know you felt this way about me.... hahahahaha pretty harsh words man especially since scotty and el pres iare posting in here as well and they don't have a platform ride that most of you pso called platformers would call acceptable, yet they have sicker cars than most on this site. why would you go and attack people like that to make a point when it only works against the point you are making?

But this is the type of repetitive thrads which is driving me off this forum. For those who do not know, I have given the staff recently a notice that I may be leaving. There are the people who think they know it all about VIP and instead of teaching the young ones they like to give them the stick.

Mike you know my stance on your leaving this site, as for the self proclaimed VIP gods who only recently may have finally finished or gotten a step closer to finishing their cars, I believe we can address this with new staff guidelines... i'll explain in the Boardroom


Can we act civilly? Can we be patient with newbs? Can we retain the prestige and class that this style is known for? Can we uphold the culture and pay respect properly to Japan and the heritage? Lets all just sit back and take a look at where things are going...and see what we can do to make sure the path is set.


This is the true question. El Pres got it right....we all hope for a perfect world but live to make reality a little better. We need to stop the bickering and address the problems, we have lost enough members that were valuable, let's work toawrds retaining those that are still here. A revamp of the present way is necessary like Caoboy said in his first post..... we are being proverbially "jacked" of the one thing that this site set out to do in the beginning.... provide a place for VIP enthusiasts to get together, help each other, push each other forward, and TEACH the lifestyle. Don't get it twisted Ladies and Gentlemen.... this is NOT a hobby, it is a LIFESTYLE!!

[jdmsao]

Tiers? Filtering new members? WTF is that shit? I for one, didnt know much about VIP cars until I found this site. For the first year that I was on this forum I didnt have a VIP platform, and I still have my 240 and dont plan on getting rid of it. Just because I didnt have a VIP car, do I not have a right to post here? Thats ridiculous and borderline discrimination. This aint no fuckin country club where only certain people belong. The great thing about this forum is that for the most part, the members are really helpful, and if you hang around for a while, you'll understand what this whole VIP game is all about. Im just saying, dont hate on the noobs, cuz at one point you were a noob too.

As for keeping the VIP scene pure...I couldnt agree more. It burns me up everytime someone new post pics of their non-vip cars and says "is this VIP?" Hell the fuck no that aint VIP, but do your research here and you'll find out what is and get rid of your Ford Fusion, Altima, TC, Mazda 3 etc...

At the end of the day, this is a forum, and this is the internet, dont let it consume you. If you dont like what you see, click on to the next thread. You'll be okay.

[zion_97]

Yos, you don't gotta be a dick! I was bein cool w/ a minor correction. Not only did I NOT mention anything about power or the CRAP you brought up, I RESPECTFULLY gave you props. My advice, before you type READ!!! Lost points here dog.

Fool call it what you want....you tried bringing out the fact that I did not know a certain abreaviation for a motor size...that cuased many folks to start bandwaging with you..I dont care if I lost points from you. I am not hear to please you..I am hear becuase I love VIP style not engines...if I was hear for engines you would see me more active if the engine section..NOT...amd I did read...but why post that in the first place..oh I respect you and your car is nice but thats the size engine...what is that mean?? to me it means your just trying to sugar coat a put down...either say its a inline 6 and leave it that or dont bring up that you respect my car...one has nothing to do with the other..how people precieve things is how they percieve them..perception is everything..



Zion, you really lack reading skills I feel. You blantantly missed the part where I gave you crazy props on your skill. Did you not see it in your own thread about the wood? Ive tried airbrushing, but it's not my thing. I dont have the knack. Im more at home with engines and body work. I think it's also funny how damn hypocritical you can be in choosing what you want to see and read. You accept all the Japanese cues of DIY with crystals and whatever. I did this thru my own lip kit and my own custom parts. You seem to forget the VIP meets they have that include K-cars and other non traditional platforms you have historically bagged on in the forums.

As for ride height, we are in a different ball game I have a feeling. Your low is a totally differnet thing than what I consider low. Until you start clipping interstate reflectors with your front bumper, you're not low enough. Oh, and that is daily on coilovers.

Scotty

Dont back track with giving me crazy props. it took some one else to bring that out..if they had not you would have never said anything more about it..Do you think I actually tell people is real wood?:slap: ....you say I am hypocritical loook in the mirror..you talk shit about my wood grain and then oh I was going to send him parts to do...why if its faking the funk????that shit right there does not make any sense..why would you even consider it...????

K-cars is cool with me..I dont care for them to much but I except them as well.

As far as driving low my cats are 1.75" above the ground..IF I had a lip kit or aero kit I would be smacking it all over the place most likely it would be cracked..Aero allways give you the impression of being lower than you actually are..Untill I have my cats removed for custom made cats and they are out of the way I will be even lower...


As far as the rest of this thread topic...like I said before..WHere do we draw the line..I had a thread on it and lots of folks got ticked offf..this was what I was trying to prevent..NOW THE TIME HAS COME...People are just posting just to post..nothing to contribute but nonsense. IF you have to ask is this VIP then its not..These post where folks say check this out and tell me what you think..and the car is a ford focus..WTF cares about those cars here....they want us to approve them..NOT...or What should I do posts..these post get annoying as well..build your car for yourself not us..

Anyways there is another VIP forum that some of you know about and are members and some of you dont know about...THese types of post do not occur there..its more for the real VIPers out there..very rare that arguing goes on..I think its time for me just to hang out there and devote my time and effort to help building that forum..I am not about to say what forum it is so that it does not get infested with all this crap..

If this is how you guys want this forum to be than cool majority seems to allways rule. Let the uneductated newbies destroy the fourm and style..let them learn from tuner magizines and then show how its done...and you willl see VIP everything...that is what is so special about VIP in the first place..it was not for everyone and I felt great to be so different than the norm...US is more dub and donk and driving a VIP car feels awsome..but when I start to see ford focus and civics with curtains and tables and fusa and all the other cherries on top with some wack sportmaxx wheels poor fitment then that will be the day that I know VIP was destroied here in the US market....

Next time I go to Mcdonalds I am going to order tamalies and rice and beans...if they dont have them I am going to say why not ...why do you just focus on just hamburgers and nuggets???????

[augdogg]

hee hee hee you guys no who you are with those small cars trying hard to survive in this big V8 4 door sedan world of VIP as we know it.....:dance:
...

Ummm.. I-6 can hold it's own as well..:rules:

whats an I-6????

I respect your work and your car is nice, but that's the kind of engine in my car. AKA 2JZGE, Inline 6.

I just gotta say that so what I dont really know about engines..thats why I take my shit to a mechanic...VIP is not about lets see who can go faster..take that shit to the fast and furious forum..hahaha...I could care less what VIP-UCF ,augdogg,vzuptnguyenthink about my knowledge or lack there of engine size or types..I am not into VIP for the speed..alls I know is I got a V8 and yeah WTF is a V4..thats like couple of donkeys pulling a wagon anyways....

Yos, you don't gotta be a dick! I was bein cool w/ a minor correction. Not only did I NOT mention anything about power or the CRAP you brought up, I RESPECTFULLY gave you props. My advice, before you type READ!!! Lost points here dog.

This is what I see, and what matters to me. If that's a "call out" then your wound too tight.IMO

[ScottyTuned]

Umm no, no one called me out. From the start, Ive said I liked it. I said it in your original thread, I said it in this thread. There is really no back tracking. For someone who is such a purist, I just found it funny to be painthing up their car to look like wood when you dont get molded pieces done instead. Im not a purist. Never have been on a lot of this. I dont mind rockin a fake part here or there. I dont pretend to be some elitists. A painted up interior is cool by me. I just dont pretend that Im gods gift to the tuning world because Ive seen a couple hundred VIP photos and read some statements by the president of JP. Ive done most of my learning by actually doing. Testing the limits of camber, fitment, body work, etc.

[OG]

heres where i'm at: the flood is coming/has came, either plant your feet or run for the hills. if you really care about tradition you would stick around and make sure it stays intacked. if you just want to be part of some elite group then its probably time to abandon ship. i've been on the "other vip site" and to me it was lame, i didn't even register.

these guys with the non-vip related cars are showing them here because they admire the cars of the existing members. its like having an annoying little kid that looks up to you. keep it gangster and show them some love, it won't kill you. i promise.

having an og sub-forum is a great idea that i have seen work. another forum i'm on recently set up one with access privilages. members that had left the site came back to do all the newbie bashing they could handle... behind closed doors. very little talk about cars goes on, but a lot of members get together and chat like old friends.

so heres whats up: the "vip" title is going to get lost to the media, that much i'm sure of. if all the ogs leave there will be no leaders and it will be at the hands of whoever. within every popular culture there are at least 2 groups. the band-wagoners and the ogs. without the band-wagoners s**t gets stale because there is no new life. without ogs it goes to s**t. theres a balance to maintain if you want to keep any resemblance of the vip you know and love.

[zion_97]

I care about tradition but how the hell do you keep it intact with so many people against it? If it was all about tradition you would only see True Platforms here wich is none cause none us have a REal Platform..they are not Japanese imported cars..My title sais Infiniti Q45t not Nissan Cima...even though its the same car..

The guys showing there non-vio related cars are showing them hoping to get props from us not becuase the admire existing members cars..and becuase they are uneducated about what VIP is and is not.

There is to much sugar coating going on here...and thats why we have lost many contributing members OG's if you will that made this site what it is..now its the non purist, the newbies and uneducated members that are destroying what those before us worked hard at building..

You can't teach someone who is not willing to learn!

and yeah if there is a flood I am no fool I am not going to stick around and drowned I am going to look for shelter and higher grounds and let the fools drown themselves..

[zion_97]

Umm no, no one called me out. From the start, Ive said I liked it. I said it in your original thread, I said it in this thread. There is really no back tracking. For someone who is such a purist, I just found it funny to be painthing up their car to look like wood when you dont get molded pieces done instead. Im not a purist. Never have been on a lot of this. I dont mind rockin a fake part here or there. I dont pretend to be some elitists. A painted up interior is cool by me. I just dont pretend that Im gods gift to the tuning world because Ive seen a couple hundred VIP photos and read some statements by the president of JP. Ive done most of my learning by actually doing. Testing the limits of camber, fitment, body work, etc.
so you think its funny to paint up an interior but yet you wanted to send me some of your pieces?????..hhmmmm now thats funny...you tell me wher I am going to find a real wood rear view mirror, real wood center console, real wood roof handles, real wood seat covers ..cuase I will buy them but if you can't show me then there is nothing more to discuss..I did purchase a real wood grain kit but that was limited to a few pieces...I wanted more so I made it happen.

[ScottyTuned]

I think its funny for a self proclaimed purist and stickler of anything out of the ordinary to be doing enough DIY cheapo threads to fill a Honda-tech forum. You seem to always incite that VIP style cant be done cheap.

Exactly Blackonblack! I took a break from this site for a long time because of bandwagoners and the bad attitudes. I came back because Ive realized that itd be much better to have some assemblance of leadership to teach, than to ditch them and have the noobs redefine it for when the media comes! (If any of you know my battles with Steve Wang and his "VIP" ride and Primedia youd know)

I guess I care about the tradition enough to try and teach people what theyre doing wrong, and not just banning or abandoning them. If someone ditches completely because of some noobs coming on, they were never dedicated thus a poser from the start. Everyone talks about immersion (sp) of this "culture", yet they pick and choose when they want to listen to it and be involved. If enough people stood up against the flood, and tried diverting the water into the right channels, everything would be sorted out. If you are too scared and dont want to help divert that flood, then dont pose as a "contributing member OG" like you actually serve a purpose.

[zion_97]

[Originally Posted by augdogg http://www.vipstylecars.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.vipstylecars.com/forums/showthread.php?p=115263#post115263)
I respect your work and your car is nice, but that's the kind of engine in my car]

so what does my car have to with your engine. How I took it was like this.

YOu have nice car but you no nothing about what you drive, & I think others took it the same way..becuase after your post there was 2-3 other posts by other members that pointed that out as well...

back on topic:

[zion_97]

I think its funny for a self proclaimed purist and stickler of anything out of the ordinary to be doing enough DIY cheapo threads to fill a Honda-tech forum. You seem to always incite that VIP style cant be done cheap.

Exactly Blackonblack! I took a break from this site for a long time because of bandwagoners and the bad attitudes. I came back because Ive realized that itd be much better to have some assemblance of leadership to teach, than to ditch them and have the noobs redefine it for when the media comes! (If any of you know my battles with Steve Wang and his "VIP" ride and Primedia youd know)

I guess I care about the tradition enough to try and teach people what theyre doing wrong, and not just banning or abandoning them. If someone ditches completely because of some noobs coming on, they were never dedicated thus a poser from the start. Everyone talks about immersion (sp) of this "culture", yet they pick and choose when they want to listen to it and be involved. If enough people stood up against the flood, and tried diverting the water into the right channels, everything would be sorted out. If you are too scared and dont want to help divert that flood, then dont pose as a "contributing member OG" like you actually serve a purpose.
its not about beeing scared its about knowing who you are...like I said how do you teach those that dont want to learn and are not willing to buy a better platform to work with once we tell them that there car does not scream VIP??? they have the same excuses

"I want to be different"
" Why cant it be VIP"

there is no teaching those types of folks.........why bother...like I said before I tried haveing a post to draw the line...lets get everyone thinking the same but no one wanted to listen to me at that time and thought that it was not important..

now we are here again revisting what I was trying to prevent..now what you guys want to educate and show these folks how and what to do..great but what about the ones that dont want to listen and learn..which is the vast majority now these days.

[ScottyTuned]

How many of hte new members do you talk to? I just where you get all your basis for knowing that they dont want to learn or listen. I dont want to pull out cliche'd points of history where people didnt want to listen, but did thru integration of knowledge. I can if you want me to though. How many have you talked to about how to improve their ride and what direction they need to go to hit VIP style? Even if they dont go for VIP style, Id MUCH rather they take cues from us than go on their own. For example, Id rather see a 240 owner with a badass freaking fitment even though it is not VIP style that he is after. Im a car enthusiast, and I can appreciate it looks good even though its not the same style exactly as mine. Should they call it VIP style then if it is not? Hell no. I agree with you on that I have a feeling. I just think we should be happy that theyre taking styling cues from us (whether it is covert or not, and whether you know it). Remember, imitation is the best form of flattery. If they do seats like us, nicer fitting kits like us, get a low stance like us, or even get wheels like us, we should take that as a compliment. We still may not call it VIP, but we can direct on where to go and how to do it, whether you think they listen or not.

[VIP-UCF]

Zion, we all have personalities...it wasn't a personal attack...cool it, this thread isn't about you...

I don't mind one bit teaching others about vip...I'm no self proclaimed god but when it comes down to it, I do know my stuff...I've been doing this for about 3 years and never took my car to a shop...only paid friends to do things I didn't know how to do and even still, I made them teach me...

Truth is, experience cannot be taught...and really, vip is about experience and experimenting...pushing thle envelope...we can only point people in the right direction...

cars posted that don't have a hint of vip styling should be automatically deleted by the moderators...but then again, how many do we see are actually posted? 1 in 30? 1 in 50? Does it really bother you that much or can you just turn a blind eye...

This scene is already tainted, I hope it doesn't get worse...

[Brandicus]

1) I think its funny for a self proclaimed purist and stickler of anything out of the ordinary to be doing enough DIY cheapo threads to fill a Honda-tech forum.

2) You seem to always incite that VIP style cant be done cheap.

3) I guess I care about the tradition enough to try and teach people what theyre doing wrong, and not just banning or abandoning them.

4) Then dont pose as a "contributing member OG" like you actually serve a purpose.

scotty I am so dissapointed with your attitude man... I dont even know where to start.

1) This is just plain insulting and completely unnecessary, the next person to throw out a personal insult in this thread will be banned (from this thread).

2) I dont know about you bro but ive always been under the impression you have to pay to play. Especially in regards to this style.

3) This is a good attitude and a great way to look at things, but id rather see you show me this outlook with your actions than tell me with your words. get out there and help some noobs! :biggthumpup:

4) See #1, zion_97 has contributed an immeasurable amount more to this forum than you, and you have no right to say things like that. Your welcome to your opinion I only ask that you be respectful to one another.

Rich.. your not much better man, theres no reason to be so touchy with this topic and theres certainly a better way to handle other peoples criticisms. From now on please take it too pm you two.

with all that said my fingers are tired so lets get back on topic!

[zion_97]

VIP-UCF I did not say it was about me..but from the past you have not really liked my style and have made some comments about my choices..I learn to take your comments with a grain of salt...ITs Cool you do all your mods and has never been in a shop..Props to you! Unfortnatley I have no friends into VIP style..no one to teach me how to correctly pull fenders or install suspension...I did have to take my coilovers in because they were not the correct ones for my car..and had to be machined in a few places..ALL my homeboyz are into SUV's with big ass wheels, oldschool lowriders and Big lifted trucks with 20-22" x 12-14" wheels..NOt redneck style though but Mafioso style..I come from the streets and back in the days when I was still in the street game if you had the money you paid people to do your shit for you..thats the attitude that got you respect..why get your hands dirty when someone else can for you..In the past 7 years I left the game becuase I saw most of my boyz gettting jacked and put behind bars...so I took what I could and got out...


Scottytuned
As far as new members I dont talk to to many anymore as much as I used to..I just comment and move on..most of the time I dont even read there post cuase I know what its going to say..I look for people that I have seen around here and if they have posted I read their threads....When I do say get a better platform what better advice is there than that...if someone has a ford fucus or a civic..why bother trying to sugar coat that they need a bigger better car. its plain and simple..dont waiste your time VIPing anything with wheels..put that time, money and effort into something that will be more VIP in the end..LIke coaboy said ...those small economy compact cars just are not head turners,,they dont scream out VIP and wont win car shows against a nice VIP lexus or infiniti or k-car......SEan from luxury bippu style had one of the nicest Boxes around that shit was so freeken nice..he put me to sleep in a minute...now will any civic do that..nOPE..never.

I am done arguing a pointless argument. I have stated my opinion and just think its a shame what is happening to this scene and forum..

the simple fact that mdenoga is wanting to bounce is something that most of you all should think about..cause he has been very very easy going and has excepted many many members and post and what not..but if a person like that is getting tired of it than that should say enough....

Im about to bounce to..i will let you guys with more knowledge and sweat under your belt bring back the light..if it can be done than you guys will be the ones to do it.

[OG]

rich (and all others with the same view),

even though i don't share your ideas, i respect them. i think having your own sub-forum (or forum) is the best idea. i would title it like this:

Platform Militants
O.G. Purists

the thing is, if they won't listen to you they surely won't miss you. your stand will be in vain. if its what you feel is right, do what you gotta do.

where i don't agree with you is that i think that everybody, with any car, should be respected. to me its about the styling of the car, not the platform (although i do respect platforms and hold them with higher regard). even then i think theres a lot of play. pick up a mag. how many of those cars really follow traditional styling? some of the hottest cars, imo, are extremely different than what i consider traditional. just because they're platforms they fall in the same category? then there are non-platforms that do follow the traditional styling cues. i'm not sugar coating anything, i'm voicing my opinion very clearly. it just happens to be a more tolerant opinion.

the point here is; its going to happen with or without you. the difference is with people like you tradition will always be honored even if its not followed. without y'all it will be lost. if you care so much about it, how can you abandone it?

[zion_97]

Rich.. your not much better man, theres no reason to be so touchy with this topic and theres certainly a better way to handle other peoples criticisms. From now on please take it too pm you two.

with all that said my fingers are tired so lets get back on topic!

yeah I know .....and agree I fead into the fire but I am not about to be clowned on by anyone...

[zion_97]

I think its funny for a self proclaimed purist and stickler of anything out of the ordinary to be doing enough DIY cheapo threads to fill a Honda-tech forum. You seem to always incite that VIP style cant be done cheap.

.


Bro you dont understand...If I was to do this to someones car your looking at $1000 + its not cheap..try taking your car to a custom paint shop and have them custom airbrush marble,wood grain or true fire...you will find you may not have enough loop in your wallet to cover it...

Molded dash kits are nice as hell but they dont even cost as much as I would charge to do this to someones interior..

I did a jaguar a new one a few weeks back and I charged them over a grand to do there parts...keep in mind it was an older executive person with a brand new Jaguar...he saw my car and thats all she wrote..

I post of pics cause I know lots of folks like to see progress...I even posted up how to do it in the DIY section in the interior..taking my time and knowledge to show you folks how to think outside the box and save some cash for other mods like wheels and suspension..most folks in VIP stlying love wood grain..and I thought that this would be nice fore them to DIY it themselves...I think your the only one that sees as a cheepo mod but like I said before the funny thing was that your were willing to consider sending me parts for me to make your car look cheapo...thats what I dont get.....

[firelizard]

now will any civic do that..nOPE..never.

That right there is the attitude problem with purists.

What made Sean's box better than a Civic? Definitely not the fact that it's a box. It's the hard work he put into it. Because he did his homework.

Blackonblack is right, if you leave, nothing is going to change. People who didn't read your posts won't miss them.

And like I've said before, 98% of the people who don't want to learn properly leave on their own anyways. It's best just to follow DG's advice: flag the posts, tell the noob where to read, and be on your way. No need for flaming, or driving them out of here with a torch and pitchfork.

I think your the only one that sees as a cheepo mod but like I said before the funny thing was that your were willing to consider sending me parts for me to make your car look cheapo...thats what I dont get.....
He didn't say it looks cheap, he said it's an inexpensive way for you emulate something, and thought it was funny that you'd do that instead of spending money getting the real thing, since you spend so much time talking about being authentic. He didn't say there was anything wrong with your airbrushed parts.

[OG]

For those who do not know, I have given the staff recently a notice that I may be leaving. There are the people who think they know it all about VIP and instead of teaching the young ones they like to give them the stick. Then we have the newbies who love to ask "Is this VIP??" If you seriously have to ask if your car is VIP, then it is a good chance that it is not.

the simple fact that mdenoga is wanting to bounce is something that most of you all should think about..cause he has been very very easy going and has excepted many many members and post and what not..but if a person like that is getting tired of it than that should say enough....
it reads to me like he is considering leaving just as much because of attitudes like yours as newbies asking dumb questions. i could be wrong though.

[zion_97]

it reads to me like he is considering leaving just as much because of attitudes like yours as newbies asking dumb questions. i could be wrong though.
your deff right but I have been arouund a lot longer than you and we will see how your attitude changes over time...if you can still tolerate this BS..props..if not you will end up like me and coaboy and the others that have bounced..

[VIP-UCF]

Zion, its not about being in the game and having scripts...hell, I was in the game for 10 years...I stopped when my daughter was born...I had money and still worked on my ride...people into vip cars need to work on their own cars because vip goes against all the traditional automotive safety and styling cues...we have stretched tires that barely (if at all) meets the load rating requirements, negative camber instead of cambering within factory specs, exhausts that stick out past the bumper, etc.

Its nice to pay people to do your stuff but how do you teach someone if you don't know first hand...they may as well pull info from the net or ask otheres who don't 100% know.

I gave props to you on that 'other forum' about working on your own fenders, cambering the front and adding the crystals on the analog clock...I still mean that but but imo, you're still a beginner and still have lots to learn.

[firelizard]

your deff right but I have been arouund a lot longer than you and we will see how your attitude changes over time...if you can still tolerate this BS..props..if not you will end up like me and coaboy and the others that have bounced..

And I've been around longer than you. I'm still here, and I'm still tolerant and patient as long as people are not dicks.

[zion_97]

That right there is the attitude problem with purists.

What made Sean's box better than a Civic? Definitely not the fact that it's a box. It's the hard work he put into it. Because he did his homework.

its an excepted platform and I have never seen a civic of that caliber



He didn't say it looks cheap, he said it's an inexpensive way for you emulate something, and thought it was funny that you'd do that instead of spending money getting the real thing, since you spend so much time talking about being authentic. He didn't say there was anything wrong with your airbrushed parts.

WTF??? what does cheapo mean in your book??? ANd show my where I could find all these pieces in real wood..I challenge you..I will be the first to buy it...I allready purchased a kit that has all the pieces offerd with real wood and its in my car allready..if you know something that I dont please share that info and link..

[zion_97]

And I've been around longer than you. I'm still here, and I'm still tolerant and patient as long as people are not dicks.


and your still working with a protoge...:smiley-rofl: after how long??????? give me a break..:pat:

[firelizard]

Maybe you've never seen a Civic of that caliber because nobody has tried it yet, and anyone who thought of doing it got shot down instantly. There's a first for everything, you seem to forget that.


Looking cheap and something actually being cheap is not the same thing, don't twist words.
You could have custom wood pieces made you know..


I'm not even going to bother with that last comment.

[ScottyTuned]

Firelizard, thank you for getting my point. It was very close minded to say that Civic can never do that. In 2003 when the funky box came out, everyone said it would be impossible for them to be anything other than terribly akward.

Brandicus, Im sorry you see it that way

I guess I see extreme hypocracy in saying one car is so much better than another, and not feeling thats a personal insult. I feel personally insulted in having a low post count and being treated like I dont know anything.

As for the pay to play, I agree. Reread my post. Zion is doing low priced mods (crystals and painting *if done by self*) and then contradicting himself to say it always has to be authentic and proper and high priced. (his past history of posts says that at least) Ive done it on cheap myself by doing all my own body work (forming my own kit), but I dont tell any noob that it can be done cheaply.

You can see my help done to all xA/xB owners here. Ive directed them on how to do things, and what will look good (until other members bump in and act like they know more cough cough) You can see my work as Super Mod on Clubxb, and my actions on other sites. Im always more than willing to help and direct. One car Ive designed on and did fitment for is sitting at AF right now getting on track for CES. Another being build is going to be on track for SEMA next year. Ive done more desinging and helping others than doing my own probably.

Yet again, I take that as a personal insult. He may post more, but I believe in quality of posts over quantity. Ive sent out countless PMs here helping people and doing photoshops for them. I believe in helping the noobs. I apologize if anyone takes offense to my posts, that is not my goal. I want you to realize though that you were a noob at one time too, and people accepted you. Would you still be here if they automatically banned and kicked you out for the wrong car? And then they wonder why people say we're elitists here!

[zion_97]

Maybe you've never seen a Civic of that caliber because nobody has tried it yet, and anyone who thought of doing it got shot down instantly. There's a first for everything, you seem to forget that.


Looking cheap and something actually being cheap is not the same thing, don't twist words.
You could have custom wood pieces made you know..


I'm not even going to bother with that last comment.
and who is going to make them??? IF there was people would be selling them..thats why most people who do wood change just do hydrograpics..With me dooing it I can guarantee a perfect match.. I am not twisting words around..read the thread again..

Why argue about a civic...you allways try to stick up for them tiny little cars why??? and your right it has not been done yet cuase in the end they still are not an excepted platform and wonte turn heads...

you dont have to bother with the last comment becuase there is really nothing to say.

[zion_97]

As for the pay to play, I agree. Reread my post. Zion is doing low priced mods (crystals and painting *if done by self*) and then contradicting himself to say it always has to be authentic and proper and high priced. (his past history of posts says that at least) Ive done it on cheap myself by doing all my own body work (forming my own kit), but I dont tell any noob that it can be done cheaply.



The only thing that makes it low priced is that I can do it myself..believe me I charge for my skills as do other custom paint shops and graphic shops..

controdicting I think not...I am not flossing fake JP parts and fake Garson products...thats what is meant by authenticity..dont put words in my mouth cuase I will spit them out..IF you can build aero thats not cheap its more VIP than going out and buying something allready made..same as woodgrain or crystals...Its the same process..I am not using low end crystals but authentic swavarski crystals...their is no faking the funk here boy...

[firelizard]

and who is going to make them??? IF there was people would be selling them..thats why most people who do wood change just do hydrograpics..With me dooing it I can guarantee a perfect match.. I am not twisting words around..read the thread again..

Why argue about a civic...you allways try to stick up for them tiny little cars why??? and your right it has not been done yet cuase in the end they still are not an excepted platform and wonte turn heads...

I can see you only go by the book, you don't innovate much. Which is fine, it works for people, lots do it. But thats not what moves things forward.

I stick up for non-platforms because they can look good when they follow a formula similar to Vip styling. That's been proven with the xB, with the Fit, with the xA....(and it's not like those cars have deep roots, they're relatively recent models) someone had to bother to do it though. Someone had to look at that boxy little econocar and say "hm, this would look good with some deep luxury wheels, and a classy bodykit, lets do it" instead of thinking "oh, well everybody is doing tuner style, I guess only that is possible"

Besides, the fact that something isn't an accepted or common platform shouldn't stop people from trying it out. There are tons of accepted platforms already being done, each trying to be unique.

[VIP-UCF]

And working on your car is about pride as an automotive enthusiast...

Maybe we should just revive this thread every so often and forget the original purpose of having caoboy's post...this is getting juicy...where are the referees at? Haha

[firelizard]

Maybe it's good to let everybody vent at once... hopefully the rest of the forum will be calmer afterwards.

[zion_97]

I can see you only go by the book, you don't innovate much. Which is fine, it works for people, lots do it. But thats not what moves things forward.

I stick up for non-platforms because they can look good when they follow a formula similar to Vip styling. That's been proven with the xB, with the Fit, with the xA....(and it's not like those cars have deep roots, they're relatively recent models) someone had to bother to do it though. Someone had to look at that boxy little econocar and say "hm, this would look good with some deep luxury wheels, and a classy bodykit, lets do it" instead of thinking "oh, well everybody is doing tuner style, I guess only that is possible"

Besides, the fact that something isn't an accepted or common platform shouldn't stop people from trying it out. There are tons of accepted platforms already being done, each trying to be unique.
you stick up for non-vip platforms cuase thats what your are working with..I bet if you had a lexus or infiniti jag or what ever you would not be so touchy about small economy cars...

but tell you what ..why dont you be the first to PIMP out a Protoge VIP style the correct way and make everybody say damn firelizard really knows his shit and was not all just talk over the years..

[OG]

but tell you what ..why dont you be the first to PIMP out a Protoge VIP style the correct way and make everybody say damn firelizard really knows his shit and was not all just talk over the years..
even though i'm sure this was sarcasm, this is exactly how i think (not directed at you firelizard).

[firelizard]

I would like to do a Y33 next, but that is not in the cards for a while, I would like to finish both of my current cars before moving on. I'm glad that having a compact first has made me stay humble. I hope I can stay that way.

Also, what I've accomplished so far should be a pretty good indicator that I'm not all talk. Vip styled though? Probably not. But I will be using what I learned here.

[Brandicus]

Were done here, thanks for listening to my warning. Thread is closed due to inability to stay on topic.